"(The Rentals)Worldwide dates are in the works, kicking off July 2nd in Solana Beach, CA and their first Los Angeles show in over a decade, July 7th, at The Henry Fonda Theatre followed by two nights at the Yokohama Arena in Japan (dates below). Additional North American and European dates will be announced shortly.Ã, The band hopes to hit the studio later this year to record a new full-length album for release in 2007.
So there you have it folks. The Rentals are back!Ã, Ã, ...it's official.
Tickets for The Henry Fonda show go on sale this Saturday, May 13.
We are very honored to announce that OZMA will be opening the festivities.
http://www.henryfondatheater.com/07_calendar.htm
Spread the word, tell your friends and join in the celebration."
http://www.therentals.com/return/
WHohoooooooo! Man I hope I can go! You guys wanna go? I know seven minutes is ok but man you just got to love the return of the rentals cd. I just found that cd a couple of days ok(i had lost it for abou 2.5 years) and I have been listening to it alot then I heard the news. Man two of some of the greatest bands of modren back together and playing together.
wouldnt that be something if they were opening for weezer and ozma was opening for them.
yeah, that sounds pretty rockin'.
Who would have ever thought?
yeah I know. Thats what I wanted to happen when I heard they were both back together but I didnt really think it would.
Quote from: I loma zike on May 11, 2006, 04:55:29 pm
wouldnt that be something if they were opening for weezer and ozma was opening for them.
fuck weezer. it's cool enough as it is.
Oh for the love of God PLEASE come around here.
:wave: and here, please. goooo Boston! (Or Dover, NH if you're really feeling generous. I've got an apartment you can find some floor space to sleep on.)
Quote from: I loma zike on May 11, 2006, 04:55:29 pm
wouldnt that be something if they were opening for weezer and ozma was opening for them.
I think a better lineup would be Weezer opening for
Rentals, opening up for the headlining
OZMA
Pretty sure the best lineup doesn't involve Weezer, unless you can somehow invent a time machine, or at least some sort of way to make Rivers not a little bitch.
i think this will be a cool show
Quote from: funwithsponges on May 12, 2006, 09:01:23 pm
Pretty sure the best lineup doesn't involve Weezer, unless you can somehow invent a time machine, or at least some sort of way to make Rivers not a little bitch.
I am so plus one-ing your ass every day for a week. :D
why is there no information about the matt sharp website????? Why did i have to go the weezer website and the ozma website to find out this info???? crazy!!!! i think its quite obvious now that Matt sharp was the brains behind weezer. what real music has weezer put forth since Matt left after Pinkerton?????? i would like to see Matt work with together with Weezer again, but i guess that's not for this form.
7/7 at the Henry Fonda in L.A. God, I wish I could be there.
Its on the rentals webpage. Yeah I dont think weezer will ever be aa good as before. Matt sharp I think had alot to do with it but so did Rivers. He changed over time and his music changed with him. For the worse. I dont think its very possible for him to change back. Although there are couple good new weezer songs they just dont compare with old weezer.
Anyways I just got six tickets! wohooo!
Oh yeah I know man. This may go down in geek rock history.
in case you missed it:
http://www.ozmafans.com/forum/index.php?topic=1927.0 <----this one has the disscusion.
or
http://www.ozmafans.com/forum/index.php?topic=1934.0 <----this one is a poll
I just bought six tickets but that still dosent inssure that I can go. The fact that I dont have are car, or a permit does not help much. Hehe.
Quote from: ironbird on May 15, 2006, 02:24:55 am
i think its quite obvious now that Matt sharp was the brains behind weezer.
I think people are a little stupid if they actually believe this. Matt Sharp's contributions to the blue album were simple root note basslines that absolutely anyone who's been playing for more than a month could have provided (this isn't to say they are bad, but be honest with yourselves). Only twice on the album do his lines do anything melodic, and even those are pretty basic. And yeah, his playing on pinkerton was more ambitious, but at most, it was one of many things that contributed to the overall quality of that record. If you actually pick apart one of the more ambitious pinkerton songs, you'll find something extremely technically baffling. Based on typical Rentals song structure, I think one could only be naive if they thought that Matt was responsible for that. True, Matt is a quirky songwriter, prone to some unusual key changes, but that's nothing compared to the sort of transitions that happen 2 or 3 times per song occaisionally on pinkerton. Weezer's drop in quality probably rests squarely on river's shoulders. There are plenty of factors readily apparent as to why Weezer's quality dropped after Matt left, but I don't think any of them have to do with the lack of his playing.
To get back on topic, I love the rentals, I wish I could go.
Not to keep off topic but this quote explains why I thought matt sharp had a bigger part in weezer
"Around the same time, Sharp surprisingly slapped a lawsuit on Weezer, claiming that he helped co-write such songs as the aforementioned ââ,¬Å"Undone (the Sweater Song),ââ,¬Â plus most of the tracks on Pinkerton, and assorted compositions that appeared as b-sides and motion picture soundtracks." -http://www.nipp.com/artists/detail/matt-sharp
But I guess it was just his claims.
Quote from: Not Jason on May 15, 2006, 12:17:12 pm
And yeah, his playing on pinkerton was more ambitious, but at most, it was one of many things that contributed to the overall quality of that record. If you actually pick apart one of the more ambitious pinkerton songs, you'll find something extremely technically baffling. Based on typical Rentals song structure, I think one could only be naive if they thought that Matt was responsible for that. True, Matt is a quirky songwriter, prone to some unusual key changes, but that's nothing compared to the sort of transitions that happen 2 or 3 times per song occaisionally on pinkerton. Weezer's drop in quality probably rests squarely on river's shoulders.
Good points. Thoes points seem to prove Matts statements that he wrote many of the songs as wrong. However I thinks its still a possiblity that he is telling the truth.
Perhaps he did "co-write" them, but "co-wrote" is a very loose term, it can imply any degree of involvement in the creative process depending on who says it. Arguably, laying a bassline down in a song could contribute towards making it yours, or you could say "unless you did 50% or more of the work, it's not yours." (a very hard measure to make with these things and very hard to prove). It seems to me that while Matt's work with the rentals was no doubt influenced a lot by his work in Weezer, the differences are marked enough so that I'd doubt he deserves flat out "writing" credit on any Weezer song. And despite my suspicion and my previous post, no, I don't know what went on in the writing process of early weezer songs, but it seems to me that the burden of Weezer suckitude rests squarely on Rivers. I don't think it really makes a lick of difference who's playing bass with them.
Quote from: Not Jason on May 15, 2006, 12:17:12 pm
If you actually pick apart one of the more ambitious pinkerton songs, you'll find something extremely technically baffling.
What are you referring to, specifically?
This quote abot Rivers recently influening Matt is kind of scary.
"Rivers and I got to spend some time doing some writing together, and he really started talking to me about writing more concise songs, that expressed a lot with a lot of economy. Instead of doing what I had been doing, which was taking as much time as you want to say what you need to say. And there were a lot of really good things that came out of those times that we spent together. There's too many people who have had an influence on why I'm at where I'm at, to say there's a single person like that. But there's certainly a part of it in there that he shares."
Yes moving to more concise songs would probally better but what does he mean about this righting style effecting the economy? I hope Rivers chat wont effect Matts music to get more comercial bassed like his.
Quote from: oatmeal on May 16, 2006, 07:33:40 am
This quote abot Rivers recently influening Matt is kind of scary.
"Rivers and I got to spend some time doing some writing together, and he really started talking to me about writing more concise songs, that expressed a lot with a lot of economy. Instead of doing what I had been doing, which was taking as much time as you want to say what you need to say. And there were a lot of really good things that came out of those times that we spent together. There's too many people who have had an influence on why I'm at where I'm at, to say there's a single person like that. But there's certainly a part of it in there that he shares."
Yes moving to more concise songs would probally better but what does he mean about this righting style effecting the economy? I hope Rivers chat wont effect Matts music to get more comercial bassed like his.Ã,Â
matt was better at writing popier stuff
Quote from: oatmeal on May 16, 2006, 07:33:40 am
This quote abot Rivers recently influening Matt is kind of scary.
"Rivers and I got to spend some time doing some writing together, and he really started talking to me about writing more concise songs, that expressed a lot with a lot of economy. Instead of doing what I had been doing, which was taking as much time as you want to say what you need to say. And there were a lot of really good things that came out of those times that we spent together. There's too many people who have had an influence on why I'm at where I'm at, to say there's a single person like that. But there's certainly a part of it in there that he shares."
Yes moving to more concise songs would probally better but what does he mean about this righting style effecting the economy? I hope Rivers chat wont effect Matts music to get more comercial bassed like his.
I think that is the most hilarious conclusion anyone could come to about that quote.
for the record "economy" doesn't always refer to money. The phrase "fuel economy" when refering to gas mileage is one example of this.
Quote from: FireAarro on May 15, 2006, 10:55:58 pm
Quote from: Not Jason on May 15, 2006, 12:17:12 pm
If you actually pick apart one of the more ambitious pinkerton songs, you'll find something extremely technically baffling.
What are you referring to, specifically?
A good example would be something like "Falling for You". It's a song made up of relatively simple progressions, but some of the changes are weird. The first verse and chorus are in E, it goes into D for the solo before switching to Em for the bridge, and the outro chorus is played 3 half steps higher than either of the previous choruses. It's kind of fucked up.
Or take something like "Across the Sea" and tell me that the chords durring the solo make any sense to you at all. The song starts in G, takes you on this crazy joyride through semitone land durring the solo, and then drops you off in E major for the bridge. And then it makes a really sudden transition back to the paralell key for the rest of the song.
The solo in "The Good Life" should speak for itself.
on topic: yay rentals!
here's a question.
why exactly did Matt leave =W=?
also I believe it is an 18+ show.
Matt left weezer to persue The Rentals as not just a side band. And you kids can argue for years about how much influence matt had with weezer, but only matt, rivers and the rest of the guys will ever know the truth. I've asked many such as matt, rivers, and karl before and no one will give you a straight answer. Also you guys should go post at the Rentals boards. We are fun, I swear
Quote from: The Other Mike on May 16, 2006, 11:39:26 am
for the record "economy" doesn't always refer to money.Ã, The phrase "fuel economy" when refering to gas mileage is one example of this.
Yeah thats why I said I dont know what he means by it. Yeah it is funny know I look at what ive said it made more sense then.
What is meant by "economy" in that quote is a song that expresses a lot very efficiently, meaning using as few words as possible to describe as much as possible. In that example, it has nothing to do with "the economy" in terms of money and the things that are often associated with that word. Think of it like this: if a car is economical, it goes as far as it possibly can with as little gas as possible. He's using the word similarly to speak of songwriting resources.
Quote from: savewhatyouare on May 16, 2006, 03:21:50 pm
here's a question.
why exactly did Matt leave =W=?
a question better asked in Off Topic.
Ozma needs to play in New England. I will keep saying it until it happens.
That, or they need to be in Florida the weekend of June 24th. Or following/touring with my cruise the five days following.
Quote from: Not Jason on May 15, 2006, 12:17:12 pm
Quote from: ironbird on May 15, 2006, 02:24:55 am
i think its quite obvious now that Matt sharp was the brains behind weezer.
I think people are a little stupid if they actually believe this. Matt Sharp's contributions to the blue album were simple root note basslines that absolutely anyone who's been playing for more than a month could have provided (this isn't to say they are bad, but be honest with yourselves). Only twice on the album do his lines do anything melodic, and even those are pretty basic. And yeah, his playing on pinkerton was more ambitious, but at most, it was one of many things that contributed to the overall quality of that record. If you actually pick apart one of the more ambitious pinkerton songs, you'll find something extremely technically baffling. Based on typical Rentals song structure, I think one could only be naive if they thought that Matt was responsible for that. True, Matt is a quirky songwriter, prone to some unusual key changes, but that's nothing compared to the sort of transitions that happen 2 or 3 times per song occaisionally on pinkerton. Weezer's drop in quality probably rests squarely on river's shoulders. There are plenty of factors readily apparent as to why Weezer's quality dropped after Matt left, but I don't think any of them have to do with the lack of his playing.
To get back on topic, I love the rentals, I wish I could go.
not to start a fight or anything, but maybe its just those simple notes that he did contribute that made the blue album so great, rather than having gay intros like on "perfect situation"
Quote from: I loma zike on May 16, 2006, 09:32:44 pm
Quote from: Not Jason on May 15, 2006, 12:17:12 pm
Quote from: ironbird on May 15, 2006, 02:24:55 am
i think its quite obvious now that Matt sharp was the brains behind weezer.
I think people are a little stupid if they actually believe this.Ã, Matt Sharp's contributions to the blue album were simple root note basslines that absolutely anyone who's been playing for more than a month could have provided (this isn't to say they are bad, but be honest with yourselves).Ã, Only twice on the album do his lines do anything melodic, and even those are pretty basic.Ã, And yeah, his playing on pinkerton was more ambitious, but at most, it was one of many things that contributed to the overall quality of that record.Ã, If you actually pick apart one of the more ambitious pinkerton songs, you'll find something extremely technically baffling.Ã, Based on typical Rentals song structure, I think one could only be naive if they thought that Matt was responsible for that.Ã, True, Matt is a quirky songwriter, prone to some unusual key changes, but that's nothing compared to the sort of transitions that happen 2 or 3 times per song occaisionally on pinkerton.Ã, Weezer's drop in quality probably rests squarely on river's shoulders.Ã, There are plenty of factors readily apparent as to why Weezer's quality dropped after Matt left, but I don't think any of them have to do with the lack of his playing.
To get back on topic, I love the rentals, I wish I could go.
not to start a fight or anything, but maybe its just those simple notes that he did contribute that made the blue album so great, rather than having gay intros like on "perfect situation"
Like I said, "this isn't to say they are bad". More is less often times. I think the blue album is great. In it's simplicity it's a remarkably honest and unparalelled album. That doesn't exactly amount to cowriting credits though. Lack of contribution is a very indirect form of contribution.
I don't really see the point in mentioning "Perfect Situation", considering the bassline in the intro to that is pretty much entirely root notes from how it sounds.
its kind of funny to see people kicking all kinds of music terms to build up or destroy Matt's credit to weezer. In truth, we have to look at a lot of the things that were happening behind the scene before the blue album. in truth, Matt was the one who got the band signed and was the force pulling them through the first album. i'm certain there is more to Matt leaving weezer than just wanting to pursue the rentals full time. there was a lot of friction over time it took to do pinkerton and then after that the creative direction things were going. from the way i hear it, Rivers was becoming a little bitch and treated everyone else like they were a back up band. but whatever. ozma is cool. i hope they come to japan.
Quote from: I loma zike on May 16, 2006, 09:32:44 pm
made the blue album so great, rather than having gay intros like on "perfect situation"
oh man, that intro is really attracted to intros of the same gender!
i bet the even have sex too!
:o
jeez, learn a different word to express what you are trying to say. people quote you over and over because you never really say anything clearly or coherently. or maybe i'm mixing you up with someone else, and in that case, i give a half-hearted apology. but really.
ON TOPIC: BRING IT TO THE EAST COAST, BABY (preferably starting in the fall)!
Quote from: Not Jason on May 16, 2006, 06:57:45 pm
What is meant by "economy" in that quote is a song that expresses a lot very efficiently, meaning using as few words as possible to describe as much as possible.Ã, In that example, it has nothing to do with "the economy" in terms of money and the things that are often associated with that word.Ã, Think of it like this:Ã, if a car is economical, it goes as far as it possibly can with as little gas as possible.Ã, He's using the word similarly to speak of songwriting resources.
Ok
that makes good
sense now. It was an idea before but know I am sure its what you said. I feel stupid know I am going to delete that post.
Anways all of you who live far away should try to come. If you go to school, school is out to most people around that time so a road trip is needed anyways. Its a show worth seeing, dont know if it will happen again. However, I know many of probally have things to take care of like Jobs that you cant take this day off for and visting your family during that time which is more important than a concert anyways.
edited is ine bold. I also deleted really becuase it sounded stupid. Wow im really out of it. Rushing and tiredness do not make a good combo. Thanks guys.
Quote from: oatmeal on May 17, 2006, 09:04:59 am
Ok the make real good sence know.
I'm sorry, I couldn't not do that.
I just think it's funny that he made the point of changing just the one word.
I appologize for excessive criticism. the use of the word "economy" by matt sharp was a somewhat uncommon usage of the word, and it's a completley fair mistake to make.
It is my opinion that Matt contributed to the style and "vibe" (if you will) of both The Blue Album and Pinkerton. They sounded the way they sounded because Matt was there to guide them. But as far as actually writing of lyrics and music, he pretty was pretty much uninvolved. I think he was very influencial, and the fact that he left greatly impacted the crappiness of there later albums. Not to say that Rivers should not be blamed. It seems like these days Rivers puts little effort or thought into his lyrics. I think that if the lyrics weren't so lame, the songs themselves might not suck so much.
I have no facts whatsoever to back this up. But you can't deny that Weezer sucked after Matt left. Coincidence? Maybe..
I also think a long hiatus probably played into it as much as anything.
Definately.
mannnnnnnnnnnnn i would love to see this show. if they could some how tour together over on the east coast/new england-- after august 21st, i would make it a priority to come see this show. i just cant afford to fly anywhere........ damn it california i hate you sometimes.
my point for perfect situation was just because i hate the intros for make believe, had matt sharp been there they wouldnt be so gay. i know im pointless, but i just really dont like the intros to that album.
Quote from: sandbaby on May 18, 2006, 01:39:21 pm
I have no facts whatsoever to back this up. But you can't deny that Weezer sucked after Matt left. Coincidence? Maybe..
Well, the fact is many things happened between Pinkerton and Green Album. They all contributed to Weezer's "change in direction" in some way, and well some of them likely had more weight than the departure of Matt Sharp. But they all were factors, I guess.
Word.
Quote from: funwithsponges on May 12, 2006, 09:01:23 pm
Pretty sure the best lineup doesn't involve Weezer, unless you can somehow invent a time machine, or at least some sort of way to make Rivers not a little bitch.
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Confession:Usually I dislike Patrick but this deserves some serious recognition