and whether or not eponine has gotten any airplay?
Quote from: I Like Ozma on May 23, 2007, 06:36:10 pm
and whether or not eponine has gotten any airplay?
Eponine has indeed gotten airplay..it was played on KROC. I think some other stations here have played it as well.
I don't think anyone of us would know how sales are, nor does the band probably know till after a longer time.
Quote from: Fantastic Max on May 23, 2007, 10:29:26 pm
I don't think anyone of us would know how sales are, nor does the band probably know till after a longer time.
they could know if they want to, it's not that hard.
they didn't chart in the top 200 so it can't be more thank 5-15,000 units.
It makes sense to me that the album sales would be low at this point, but that's not necessarily cause for discouragement. At this point, post hiatus on a new label and all, they are essentially a new band as far as marketting goes. If they manage to get it on the air and such, it'll grow, but I'm sure the initial numbers were to existing fans, and there are only really so many of us out there.
Quote from: heysarahsarah on May 23, 2007, 07:50:45 pm
Quote from: I Like Ozma on May 23, 2007, 06:36:10 pm
and whether or not eponine has gotten any airplay?
Eponine has indeed gotten airplay..it was played on KROC. I think some other stations here have played it as well.
You're in California, aren't you? No offense, but I don't think that counts as much. From what I've heard, Ozma has always had a decent following in Cali. I don't find it surprising that it was played. What I would find surprising would be if it were played on the east coast or something.
The End in Seattle played Eponine at least a couple times in the past few weeks.
Quote from: Kyosho on May 24, 2007, 11:10:12 am
Quote from: heysarahsarah on May 23, 2007, 07:50:45 pm
Quote from: I Like Ozma on May 23, 2007, 06:36:10 pm
and whether or not eponine has gotten any airplay?
Eponine has indeed gotten airplay..it was played on KROC. I think some other stations here have played it as well.
You're in California, aren't you? No offense, but I don't think that counts as much. From what I've heard, Ozma has always had a decent following in Cali. I don't find it surprising that it was played. What I would find surprising would be if it were played on the east coast or something.
I don't know that they have always been played on mainstream stations, as opposed to say, college stations.
I think it counts just as much...there are a LOT of people in CA, so a radio spot on one of the big rock stations in LA or the bay area will potentially reach more people.
I would imagine it wouldn't be unheard of for them to get played on Boston or NY stations. That would be cool.
Well i think its hard for them to get good album sales..When the cd is hard as hell to find in a store to begin with..
Especially the east coast..I love the band and i still havent gotten the cd.
THe only way is through ordering, and lots of people wont do that...just cuz.
Whats wrong with ordering it online?
It's on sale at amazon, and will end up being just as cheap as buying it at Best Buy or whatever, and get to you pretty quickly.
People like going to the store and buying cd's..
No one likes a wait..or paying extra just to get it sooner..
Plus if your a person new to the band or you dont really know the band, online is not the way to go.
If I really havent heard of them, and lets just say im looking at cds, and it catches my interest, that would only happen at a store.
I just know a lot of people that was planning on buying them but after realizing they werent gonna be in stores, they arent even gonna bother...
i will though.
Quote from: heysarahsarah on May 24, 2007, 12:07:13 pm
Quote from: Kyosho on May 24, 2007, 11:10:12 am
Quote from: heysarahsarah on May 23, 2007, 07:50:45 pm
Quote from: I Like Ozma on May 23, 2007, 06:36:10 pm
and whether or not eponine has gotten any airplay?
Eponine has indeed gotten airplay..it was played on KROC. I think some other stations here have played it as well.
You're in California, aren't you? No offense, but I don't think that counts as much. From what I've heard, Ozma has always had a decent following in Cali. I don't find it surprising that it was played. What I would find surprising would be if it were played on the east coast or something.
I don't know that they have always been played on mainstream stations, as opposed to say, college stations.
i heard they were played on live 105 at least once.
I have my copy of Pasadena only due to the fact that I ordered it online.
Other than that, I have yet to see exhibit A of them being sold in stores, although I have not checked Borders lately. Best Buy and Circuit City didn't even have the album, yet when Ozma was on Kung Fu, they had copies of all three albums.
The radio airplay is good... I turned on Indie 103.1 recently and just heard the tail end of Eponine. It was pretty weird. If they could get it going full steam, I think there might be a good chance of them doing well.
I'm sorry to question the label, but why the lack of promotion? Even Kung Fu was able to get it into stores. I understand the Weezer "word-of-mouth" approach, but damn, hard to get word of mouth when you can't find it in stores.
Sincerely,
R.C.
Quote from: danorganplayer on May 24, 2007, 02:44:00 pm
People like going to the store and buying cd's..
No one likes a wait..or paying extra just to get it sooner..
Plus if your a person new to the band or you dont really know the band, online is not the way to go.
If I really havent heard of them, and lets just say im looking at cds, and it catches my interest, that would only happen at a store.
I just know a lot of people that was planning on buying them but after realizing they werent gonna be in stores, they arent even gonna bother...
i will though.
Yeah, I don't buy that. People who havent heard of the band are not going to randomly pick it up in the store. They would be significantly more likely to hear of the band through myspace and then decided to order it online, where they can also conveniently read reviews and listen to samples.
I think in this day and age more and more people are willing to purchase online. Especially since most brick and mortar stores these days are getting really expensive. Plus, stores really dont have the option of "Hey I like XYZ band...what do other people who like this band buy?" whereas Amazon has that built into the site. It also remembers purchases you make. I bought DDD off Amazon like 5 years ago, and when I logged in after the album had been released, it popped up recommending Pasadena to me.
Seriously, who buys albums completely blind these days?
No one, absolutely no one. I think we all kinda know Ozma isn't going to get much further than they are. It's just the way it worked out.
Quote from: Brady on May 25, 2007, 02:32:38 am
No one, absolutely no one. I think we all kinda know Ozma isn't going to get much further than they are. It's just the way it worked out.
Who knows? Before they were the sole pop outfit on a punk label...I think they sorta got maligned in the process (through no purposeful action of Kung Fu..I truly think they intended to expand their sound and then just didn't have the capital to do too much more. I think they tried to do the best for Ozma, but in the end, it was def best for the band to part ways with them). About a Girl is a Sony owned label, and as such, will eventually have really good distribution. You might not find it in stores RIGHT NOW, given that it was JUST LAUNCHED, but I'm sure Sony has deals with all major retailers, and it'll be there. They are a new band on that label, if a band with an existing following, so I think they are just figuring out how to market them. Who knows? I'd like to see them be more successful than they were previously, though obviously there are so many bands out there.
The way we can help them the most is by supporting them. You like Ozma? Go to their concerts. Bring all your friends. Buy merch from them. Call your radio stations and bug them to play Eponine/songs off Pasadena. Tell all your friends to check them out/add them on myspace. Tons of people here are at college, with college radio stations, push heavily to play them on there. Charting on CMJ is important too!
I hate to sound like a cheerleader, but there's no reason for the fans to be pessimistic.
Well, they've just made one more sale. I was very, very pleasantly surprised to see it in HMV on Oxford Street, London this afternoon! And, despite the fact that it was an import, only for eleven English pounds! And and and, they didn't just have the one copy, they had three or four!
They've got one less, now, but still. I was expecting to have to either wait weeks for Amazon to find me a copy, or spend about sixteen quid picking it up in HMV or somewhere. MAH-vellous.
It now feels faintly strange to have bought something with artwork by Mr Hay-Chapman on it, but also vaguely fulfilling ;)
SEB...if you send me a copy of an imported copy from America, is it still an import?
ps - ozma deserves better fans, half of these retards (not really the GOD so much), are only here for socializing.
Oh, now that's a rude thing to say. When this forum was made it was after the band had broken up and we stayed together because we liked this online community. So the band got back together. We have to stop talking in OT now?
I think after the tour is when they'll see the sales. We're having a hard time finding it around here so most everyone I know is planning on picking it up at the show and that's not for a couple weeks.
Quote from: Kyosho on May 24, 2007, 11:10:12 am
Quote from: heysarahsarah on May 23, 2007, 07:50:45 pm
Quote from: I Like Ozma on May 23, 2007, 06:36:10 pm
and whether or not eponine has gotten any airplay?
Eponine has indeed gotten airplay..it was played on KROC. I think some other stations here have played it as well.
You're in California, aren't you? No offense, but I don't think that counts as much. From what I've heard, Ozma has always had a decent following in Cali. I don't find it surprising that it was played. What I would find surprising would be if it were played on the east coast or something.
I live in California and I would be very suprised to hear ozma on the radio before. I even would be suprised to speak to someone who knew of ozma. If I were to live in LA, maybee then I wouldent have been too suprised to hear them on the radio. Just becuase the many good bands come out of LA dosent mean much califronia radio sations play it.
Quote from: Martha Gail on May 25, 2007, 01:09:46 pm
I think after the tour is when they'll see the sales. We're having a hard time finding it around here so most everyone I know is planning on picking it up at the show and that's not for a couple weeks.
I agree. I know I'm trying to get some of my friends back home to go to the show in Houston, and that Thomas and Alex are trying to recruit some of their friends to the show in Dallas. Hopefully we can create new fans out of our friends :) I know I'll be picking up at least two albums from the show, maybe three.
Handclaps is taking "pasadena" up to the only station around here that plays good music. with any luck they will play it a few times before the dallas show. we are on good terms with their jocks so we will see. ps-the only place i could find the cd was at virgin mega store.
Quote from: Kris Danger on May 26, 2007, 10:17:01 am
Handclaps is taking "pasadena" up to the only station around here that plays good music.
Would that be 88.7?
They play Ozma quite a lot around here. I've heard multiple songs (Eponine being an obvious favorite) played on DC101 and The Rocket, and I actually heard a DJ on one of the stations (can't remember which) mention the album. That's about it, though, I honestly can't find anyone around where I live who's as into Ozma as I am (other than my sister)
I'm late to reply, I know, but I do think that airplay in California is extremely meaningful. I realize there are other hotspots in the country for music, but California is one of the few places that has consistently set trends for the rest of the country. There are a lot of people in California, and a lot of bands competing for the spotlight. It's not like me getting my band played on the local college station. Read a handful of band bios, and see how many times people mention "KROC" in the same paragraph as the phrase "big break". Maybe I'm biased from listening to so much California music, but I think it's noteworthy that people all over the world know of that station. Radio play in other places, regardless of how far removed from the band's headquarters, is comparitively almost trivial. I could get all the stations in Maine to play the new Ozma record constantly, but combined, it's probably a fair bet that they would have less meaningful impact than KROC's endorsement.
And seriously, lack of availability in stores does slow people down from buying a record. Say I'm on the fence about buying something. I'll go to the store with my fourteen bucks, and see if it's there. If it's not, I'll just go buy something else. I'm not going to turn around and go home and buy it on the internet. If I really really want it, I will, but if my interest is more casual, I'll just invest my money into other options that are readily available with no waiting. I only own two Mirah records because that's all the record store ever caries. If they were in stock, I'd have her entire discography by now. It so happens that the part of me that buys records is the impulsive part of me. When I get home, I have time to think about it, and I realize that I have too many fucking bills to buy more CDs. So instead of ordering a copy of "Storage Land", I make do without it. I am NOT the only person in the world who does this.
"I'll go to the store with my fourteen bucks, and see if it's there. If it's not, I'll just go buy something else. I'm not going to turn around and go home and buy it on the internet. "
Thankyou thats exactly what I was trying to say..I know a lot of people that were gonna buy it and i got them into the band..but the fact that it wasnt there they dont care to get it now..
The only store within 50 miles of where I live (LI) that had Pasadena was a Borders out by the mall. They had a grand total of two in stock, and we were the first to buy them.
Not sure why they ordered two.
But it was the surprise of the century.
I heard Eponine on 101.7FNX the other day.
I was so confused.
Oh, I'm not saying getting airplay on a big station in California isn't important. I just mean that they've not made it big until they've got national play. I'm sure there are plenty of bands that were played on big stations in California but still didn't make it. I'm not being a pessimist really, just restating my opinion that it doesn't surprise me, and what would is if they were played elsewhere.
Oh, and guys, would you mind saying where your station you heard it on is located? For instance, Tristan, that's a Boston station, isn't it? That's a good thing.
Quote from: tom on May 25, 2007, 11:55:29 am
ps - ozma deserves better fans, half of these retards (not really the GOD so much), are only here for socializing.
I figured I didn't have to post my location besides identifying the station BECAUSE a lot of regulars already know I'm from Boston.
but yes, this is "significant" but FNX is usually pretty awesome about breaking in new bands/tracks. The leaked track of "Beverley Hills" by Weezer was leaked by an FNX jock (you can hear the station promo in it) among other things.
...why did you quote me? lawl
getting played on KROQ (not KROC) is a HUGE deal. if they continue doing it the album could really pick up steam. everyone and their mother listens to kroq out here in california.
I finally got the album in a store...
I went to the virgin Megastore.. THEY DIDNT HAVE IT ANYWHERE ON SHELVES...so ive had it i walked up and was like why isnt it out, when it comes out the 15th..and she looks for it and says its sold out..Im like HIGHLY doubt that..So later she comes back with it and says she looked for it in the backroom...
In my head i was like figures . right after that she put them out THANK GOD...
Ozma couldnt get a good amount of album sales..if the people at the stores dont friggen put them out to begin with..
So if u want the album HOUND THEM...
yeah when the person who bought the album for oatmeal and i went to get it she said that they only had 15 copies and they were still in the box.
"Our first week of sales on "Pasadena" was fantastic and we cracked the Billboard Top Heatseekers 100 chart at #97. I heard we were also up in the twenties on the Billboard Indie/Alternative chart. Not too shabby... thanks to anyone who has bought our record in stores or ONLINE AT iTUNES(http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=253528598&s=143441)."
Thats from the ozma myspace blog
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=1285153&blogID=270497721&MyToken=f480670f-061e-47d4-ac21-6f613f52e0c9
Quote from: oatmeal on May 31, 2007, 05:28:04 pm
"Our first week of sales on "Pasadena" was fantastic and we cracked the Billboard Top Heatseekers 100 chart at #97. I heard we were also up in the twenties on the Billboard Indie/Alternative chart. Not too shabby... thanks to anyone who has bought our record in stores or ONLINE AT iTUNES(http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=253528598&s=143441)."
Thats from the ozma myspace blog
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=1285153&blogID=270497721&MyToken=f480670f-061e-47d4-ac21-6f613f52e0c9
:banana:
i live in ny (right over the border from nj and about 45 mins from nyc). i dont listen to the radio ever, so im not too much help on that end, but the week the album came out i looked for it. the one borders i looked at had it, but i thought it was pretty expensive ($13) for an album i kind of already had (cough cough) and i heard it was supposed to be like 10 bucks, so i passed on it. then i looked at best buy to see if it was cheaper, but they only had a copy of spending time, so then i just figured to fuck it and just wait till i see them in a few weeks that way the money goes straight to them.
hehe, i was actually gunna burn the cd for a few of my friends who are into ozma (just not as big fans as i am), but i decided not to cuz they are probably gunna goto the show with me and i know they'll buy it there. but yeah, thats cool to hear that they were on KROQ... you california-ites seem to not think thats a big deal, but that is a pretty major radio station. so yeah, good job ozma!
-Jordan :)
Quote from: JordanInHelsinki on May 31, 2007, 09:09:20 pmbut yeah, thats cool to hear that they were on KROQ... you california-ites seem to not think thats a big deal, but that is a pretty major radio station. so yeah, good job ozma!
No no, the "california-ites" (and Jason) think it's a big deal. I'm the one that doesn't, as much. :P
I still haven't bought my own copy yet. I know, I know. Normally, I'd have went out of my way to have a physical copy in my hands, if possible, before the official release date. But I owe about 700 bucks currently, with another 900 dollar debt rearing it's ugly head on the not so distant horizon. I can't be buying shit unless I actually need it to maintain vital functions necessary for living. Hopefully in a few months I will actually pull out of the crushing debt. That would be rad. Then I'll buy the damn thing. I haven't checked to see if the local record store has it or not. They recently hired this girl that kind of annoys me, so I've been going out of my way not to have to run into her.
Quote from: Not Jason on June 01, 2007, 04:52:25 am
I still haven't bought my own copy yet. I know, I know. Normally, I'd have went out of my way to have a physical copy in my hands, if possible, before the official release date. But I owe about 700 bucks currently, with another 900 dollar debt rearing it's ugly head on the not so distant horizon. I can't be buying shit unless I actually need it to maintain vital functions necessary for living. Hopefully in a few months I will actually pull out of the crushing debt. That would be rad. Then I'll buy the damn thing. I haven't checked to see if the local record store has it or not. They recently hired this girl that kind of annoys me, so I've been going out of my way not to have to run into her.
Lin?
(mainelol)
Yep, that'd be her.
I in no way dislike Lin, but I find her slighly overbearing. Combine that with some recent social drama (concerning people you don't know) and it makes me all the more anxious to avoid possible conflict. I do generally like Lin though.
Trust me, this has EVERYTHING to do with Ozma.
Click this in order to make sure you have helped out the band in even the tiniest little way. (http://www.dcd-kroq.com/dcdkroq-request/requestasongwrite.asp)
Quote from: Yellow Lightsaber on June 03, 2007, 11:15:11 am
Click this in order to make sure you have helped out the band in even the tiniest little way. (http://www.dcd-kroq.com/dcdkroq-request/requestasongwrite.asp)
Thats a good idea.
Quote from: Yellow Lightsaber on June 03, 2007, 11:15:11 am
Click this in order to make sure you have helped out the band in even the tiniest little way. (http://www.dcd-kroq.com/dcdkroq-request/requestasongwrite.asp)
Imma seriously link this and click it every 20 minutes.
I would be really suprised if Ozma sold more than 200 copies of Pasadena.
Oh good, its a troll loser who has nothing better to do than dog a band on their own fan site.
Quote from: creepy friendlies on June 04, 2007, 01:16:05 pm
I would be really suprised if Ozma sold more than 200 copies of Pasadena.
Whats your deal man?
Quote from: ActionExplosion on June 04, 2007, 01:37:13 pm
Quote from: creepy friendlies on June 04, 2007, 01:16:05 pm
I would be really suprised if Ozma sold more than 200 copies of Pasadena.
Whats your deal man?
Most likely Varnon with a new user name...
He's been warned guys, dun worry.
Don't feed the trolls.
this troll isn't very smart.
Ok I loved Ozma... when they were good. Pasadena is an absolute abomination. Seriously, it's the worst album I've bought since the Green Album.
k have a nice break.
:wave:
Quote from: creepy friendlies on June 04, 2007, 01:59:05 pm
Ok I loved Ozma... when they were good. Pasadena is an absolute abomination. Seriously, it's the worst album I've bought since the Green Album.
Often jugding by the first listens(wich can sometimes be many listens) will give you a completly differnt consception. When music is diffrent it takes time.
Thus give things time before you make a complete descion. It keeps you from looking like a fool.
Im not saying that I like the green album. Im not saying that I like passadena better than ozma's older stuff. What I am saying is that passadena is great. It just needs time.
jugging is fun.
pasadena is the power pop equivalent of pet sounds.
Quote from: hipsun on June 04, 2007, 10:31:06 pm
pasadena is the power pop equivalent of pet sounds.
:D <3
Quote from: hipsun on June 04, 2007, 10:31:06 pm
pasadena is the power pop equivalent of pet sounds.
mono?
Quote from: Not Jason on June 05, 2007, 04:38:34 am
Quote from: hipsun on June 04, 2007, 10:31:06 pm
pasadena is the power pop equivalent of pet sounds.
mono?
No the 30th anniversary edition one with the bonus stereo tracks.
Now if only Ozma would release the box set containing the recording session/production demos/rehearsals/outakes....
Quote from: Not Jason on June 05, 2007, 04:38:34 am
Quote from: hipsun on June 04, 2007, 10:31:06 pm
pasadena is the power pop equivalent of pet sounds.
mono?
Even better, DUAL Mono! It's really a double album being played simultaneously.
i dont know if ozma is the type of band who radio play would really help. i think they have to rely on shows, word of mouth, and the internet a lot more. of the people who listen to ozma, how many even listen to the radio?
I sure as Hell don't listen to the radio. If I do, it's classic rock stations or some of the local access ones. However, I'm not sure how much more they can rely on those things (shows, etc.). I'd say that's the reason they have the fans they have now, and am somewhat unsure of how many more fans they can get that way. If you think about it, radio is they one place Ozma really hasn't used to heavily. There are exceptions, but for the most part, radio time and MTV (vomit) time equals how "successful" a band can become.
Quote from: pygmy twylyte on June 20, 2007, 09:02:05 am
i dont know if ozma is the type of band who radio play would really help. i think they have to rely on shows, word of mouth, and the internet a lot more. of the people who listen to ozma, how many even listen to the radio?
Good points.
Quote from: oatmeal on June 20, 2007, 09:52:30 am
Quote from: pygmy twylyte on June 20, 2007, 09:02:05 am
i dont know if ozma is the type of band who radio play would really help. i think they have to rely on shows, word of mouth, and the internet a lot more. of the people who listen to ozma, how many even listen to the radio?
Good points.
Umm...no. That's not a good point.
Of the people who already do listen to Ozma, it doesn't matter. Obviously. But what would be the point of trying to get...the same fans you already have?
Radio airplay is huge for Ozma getting their name out and their songs heard by a lot of people, regardless of if any person on this message board listens to "mainstream" radio.
it is a valid point. maybe i should word it differently. of the people who would like ozma, how many listen to the radio?
a lot of bands arent on the radio for a reason. they dont attract the mindless radio audience. ozma has passion and meaning beyond a lot of what these people would recognize.
Ozma's music spreads thru much other ways than the radio. To me Pygmy Twylyte clearly indicated that he wanted the ozma's music to spread in the way it did to us before, just at a quicker pace.
Some potential real ozma fans may be on the radio, which wonââ,¬â,,¢t make it a total waste. However, as he said If we want more REAL ozma fans, most will not be on the radio.
Quoteozma has passion and meaning beyond a lot of what these people would recognize.
I'll grant you readily that a lot of radio music is fairly empty, but the above-quoted statement is offensive to me. Hooray for us, we don't listen to the radio, now let's comparatively talk shit about a large section of the population who isn't as unbearably hip as us. Fuck off.
people who describe music they like as being 'emotional' or having 'feeling' need to take a music appreciation course or something so they can learn how to better describe and understand the qualities they enjoy in music.... and also so they can stop annoying the fuck out of me.
edit: I realize he used neither of the words mentioned above and actually said they had 'passion', but the point still stands.
Quote from: Not Jason on June 21, 2007, 06:27:59 am
Quoteozma has passion and meaning beyond a lot of what these people would recognize.
I'll grant you readily that a lot of radio music is fairly empty, but the above-quoted statement is offensive to me. Hooray for us, we don't listen to the radio, now let's comparatively talk shit about a large section of the population who isn't as unbearably hip as us. Fuck off.
Just because I donââ,¬â,,¢t like the music that's played on the radio stations in my area does not make me think Iââ,¬â,,¢m hip or does it mean that I am talking bad about those who listen to the radio. Maybe my radio stations are not as good. Sometimes I get a station from San Diego thatââ,¬â,,¢s good however. I get none from L.A. though.
PS: Would you guys stop arguing with words? You people ignore the whole gist of what we are saying because you like to argue about stupid points to make yourselves look smarter than us. Yeah I do know you know more about music than most of us do. Get over it.
I think both of the arguments above your post were aimed at that other dude, and it's not like we were nit-picking grammar or arguing semantics; the guy made some doofusy points and they needed to be addressed.
QuoteJust becuase I dont like the the music that's play on my radio station me dose not make me think i'm hip or does it mean that I am talking bad about thoes who listen to the radio. Maybee my radio stations are not as good. Sometimes I get a sation from San dieago thats good however. I get none from L.A. though.
PS: Would you guys stop agruing with words. You people igonre the whole gist of what we are saying becuase you like to argue about stupid points to make yourselves look more smart than us. Yeah I do know you know more about music than most of us do. Get over it.
SPELL CHECK, dude. Spell check before you reply, it doesn't help your arguement.
jesus christ guys, stop making such a big deal out of a couple sentences. let me start over.
i dont think most people that would like ozma listen to the radio.
does that work? thats why i dont think radio play is that big of a deal for them. i think they have to rely on other methods. now, continue.
Quote from: pygmy twylyte on June 21, 2007, 07:37:02 am
jesus christ guys, stop making such a big deal out of a couple sentences. let me start over.
i dont think most people that would like ozma listen to the radio.
does that work? thats why i dont think radio play is that big of a deal for them. i think they have to rely on other methods. now, continue.
I don't like to listen to the radio, because it generally doesn't play anything I like (except the oldies station, which only plays interesting stuff sometimes. And Classical music, which isn't always on. I just heard the Pathetique Sonata in full on the radio yesterday coming home from a road trip, and it made me so happy).
But my mom and dad and sister do, so I'm often forced to, especially if I am trapped in the car with them. So if I heard Ozma on the radio, it would be much, much better. But I never hear Ozma on the radio.
ok, I can agree with you there, but it's not because people can't understand their passion or meaning. The problem with the radio is that the record industry has gotten pretty good at manufacturing trends and manipulating the buying habits of the public. If Ozma were part of one of these trends then they would sell a million records, but as it is they are at some times an anachronistic band and at others just a slightly odd one. Ryen's songs tend to sound like (and excuse me if my knowledge of older power-pop is lacking, it's not exactly my area of expertise) Boston or something resembling that style of upbeat, somewhat cheesy but catchy, pop-rock, and Dan's stuff is a bit closer to indie pop (HvH) and kind of quirky rock that I can't really compare to much else out there (Eponine, Straight Flush) because it resembles pop, but the melodies are sort of oblique and the structures and influences are non-standard and varied.
Now if they went with Heartache for the single, they might be able to court that indie pop demographic, but it seems that the record label wants the bigger record sales associated with bands that go for the big, dramatic rock sound (MCR, Fallout Boy, etc) and I don't think that Ozma is going to be able to fit in well enough with that trend that people will buy it. This is not to say that Ozma is bad at all, they just don't sound enough like the other bands on the radio. Now, perhaps I'm wrong and they'll be at the forefront of a new trend in radio, but I dunno.
great post.
although i earlier stated most people who would like ozma dont listen to the radio, which i still think is accurate, its definitely possible that they could be put on the radio and be well-received. however, they wouldnt have a devoted fanbase the way that they currently do.
they are a poppy/catchy band, but have enough quirks and distinguishable traits to be unique. i think thats why their current fans listen. i guess record companies, MTV, etc could decide to try to make ozma a big thing, and probably make some money from it. but judging by their outlook, i think ozma would prefer to do what theyve always done, and get a bigger following, rather than make some money from airplay.
aside from that, if ozma were put on the radio, they would be thrown in with bands like fallout boy and my chemical romange. i would want to slam my head into my desk if a band i love as much as ozma was associated with that music.
its just like the interview on the rock and roll part 3 extras. ryen said he loved having people from around the world say how much they loved the album. i think ozma would stick with that approach rather than score a hit or two.
Quote from: pygmy twylyte on June 21, 2007, 09:43:59 am
its just like the interview on the rock and roll part 3 extras. ryen said he loved having people from around the world say how much they loved the album. i think ozma would stick with that approach rather than score a hit or two.
Because if they had a hit, they wouldn't have fans from all around the world. And if they had a hit, those people wouldn't tell Ozma how much they loved them?
well, i guess i should have finished that quote.
he said he loved having people from all around the world say how much they love the album, and that he would much rather do that than be a one hit wonder or have some hits on KROQ.
i think if they just had a hit or two it would be different from having a savvy fanbase that bought, listened to, and loved their albums. fair? also, from that interview, i think ryen was saying something along the same lines.
Quote from: pygmy twylyte on June 21, 2007, 09:43:59 am
i think ozma would prefer to do what theyve always done, and get a bigger following, rather than make some money from airplay.
Well, I'd have to answer this with a resounding "huh?"
If Ozma was content at the way things were going a few years back, they probably wouldn't have broken up, and if the idea of mainstream success was not appealing to them, they probably wouldn't have signed to a semi-major label and custom tailored a few songs specifically for radio play. Forgive me if I sound cynical, or if this is working to destroy some overly idealized version of the band, but it seems to be an apt point. Now, I'm not saying Ozma does not like or prefer their old grassroots tactics of winning fans. In fact, I'd agree they'd be wise to continue to embrace those tactics into the future. I do not believe this runs counter to their obvious attempts at mainstream success. You can do both at once. You also say that the quality of fans they will receive from radio play will be lower. In general, this might be the case. If they got a big single, there would be a lot of people who would enjoy that song, but never really follow the band beyond that. But you gotta figure that kind of thing happens anyway. Some kid who saw them open for Weezer back in the day might think their tetris cover is awesome and never bother to buy a record. But the way I figure, if you expose it to a large enough demographic, they might get a lot of superficial fans, but some of them are bound to become real fans. How many people here enjoy Nada Surf? How many of you first heard them on the radio or MTV? Hell, I count myself as a Harvey Danger fan, and I wouldn't have ever heard them without the radio. In either example, you could argue their ridiculous success off single tracks actually sort of hurt them overall, but in both cases, it won them loyal fans. Besides, I think both of those bands are rather extreme cases of overplaying that are unlikely to happen to Ozma.
This won't surprise anyone, but I agree with most of what Mike's said so far, regarding them not really fitting in with any real movement right now. Again, I don't think this is bad, but typically bands need to ride on the wave of some sort of trend to get big, and I'd wonder about how likely it is that they could really get huge off the material the label seems to be pushing. I mean, as much as I love things like the first Weezer record, I don't even think you could market that these days. It just wouldn't fit in between the other things on the air.
Oh, and I suppose Weezer must have been too obvious an example for me to even think of it. I'm not trying to start another pointless argument about the last three Weezer records, but let's just pretend for a moment that they don't and never did exist. That leaves us with Blue and Pinkerton. Pinkerton was a supposed commercial flop, whatever, I still remember that shit getting PLENTY of airplay back in the day with "The Good Life", which was for me, quite a memorable single that managed to sell me on the band in an era when I did not have access to underground music. Now, tell me that those two records were not jam packed with sincerity and passion. And I, as a casual music fan, responded to that, and it served as a gateway into more obscure, non-radio music.
Like I said before though, I think if you sent an album like Blue to radio stations today, it would just end up in a free bin in the lobby after six months of collecting dust in a locked closet. It's just a completely different movement now.
oddly, i once again find myself agreeing with Not Jason. i think Weez fit in b/c it was catchy powerpop that was a total change from the Nirvana/Smashing Pumpkins/etc craze of 94. it was a break from the norm in the same way that Nirvana was a break from the norm of 89 with the hair-metal craze. in the same respect i can see an argument both for and against Ozma breaking into the mainstream by being different from the MCR/Fallout Boy <and on a side note turning the radio off worked wonders, i have yet to hear a MTC song, and ive only heard the "falling apart at halftime" FB song>. id love to see it, but regrettably, yes, i can't see it being marketed right.
someone else on this board pointed to Nada Surf also as being a GREAT band that doesn't sound at ALL like "Popular" would lead u to believe they sounded like. and i for one can say i've considered myself a NS fan for years, each album grows upon listens.
Quoteinkerton was a supposed commercial flop, whatever, I still remember that shit getting PLENTY of airplay back in the day with "The Good Life",
wow, i never once <and STILL haven't> heard a Pink song on the radio, i never even knew Pinkerton was out till 97 when freinds told me to listen to it, since i was a total Weezer freak, off just Blue and Suzanne off Mallrats. sorry ok no more Weez talk.
Well, see, here's where I think you're wrong...
Weezer was a very natural progression for mainstream rock. Yes, it was different from Nirvana and The Smashing Pumpkins (who, to be fair, didn't really break the mainstream very long before Weezer did. They were both enjoying their peak success at the same time), but it wasn't all that different. Really, if you yank out billy's vocals, "Today" could pass as an early Weezer song. It's different, but not that different. and SP wasn't that much different from Nirvana, who really wasn't all that different from The Pixies, who were more successful than people like to remember. Also, Sonic Youth enjoyed mainstream success all through the 80s, and they had a lot in common with Nirvana too. Fuck, Weezer even did a hell of a Pixies cover, proving that across that entire progression, the difference wasn't insurmountable. Weezer shaped mainstream rock to follow, until eventually it gradually morphed into something else. Radio is rarely rarely ever that shocking and jarring.
Ozma, however, is vaguely comparable to what that's currently successful? Anything? Not really. With few exceptions, you need to ride on some current wave.
one more note - the bass line in Only In Dreams is very similiar to the Pixies song off Doolittle, I Bleed. , i always thought that it was a tribute to the Pixies.
darn you weezer, you again have found a way to overtake another beautiful ozma thread...
Wait, so what is the main reasoning behind saying "Most people who would like Ozma don't listen to radio"? I mean, besides typical mainstream radio bashing, complete with references to popular bands that indie kids like to rip on.
Seriously, is there any proof at all of that? Or are we just saying "Well, most of the kids on the OOF don't like radio, and they all like Ozma, and most people who do like radio, well they like ______, which isn't at all like Ozma, so I guess Ozma is fucked"?
Now the point brought forth by Mike about Ozma not really fitting in...agree and disagree. One song that fits in will get people to buy the album, or at least to download the album, and maybe they will like more songs. Getting their name out there is more important than anything at this point.
Well, I don't think the radio would hurt Ozma. I think if they get a song on the radio, it could only possibly help them, regardless of how different it is from other popular bands of the moment. The thing is, given how different it is, I don't know that it could possibly get enough play to have that happen in the first place. I don't think I'm ripping on anyone by saying that there are certain trends that almost everything on the radio seems to fit in with to at least some degree. I think somebody could hear Ozma mixed in with this type of programming, find it appealing, and become a fan, but I wonder about how likely it is that it would get the frequent play necessary, given the fact that they don't really strike me as marketable (which is not an insult, mind you).
Quote from: funwithsponges on June 22, 2007, 07:02:50 am
Wait, so what is the main reasoning behind saying "Most people who would like Ozma don't listen to radio"? I mean, besides typical mainstream radio bashing, complete with references to popular bands that indie kids like to rip on.
Seriously, is there any proof at all of that? Or are we just saying "Well, most of the kids on the OOF don't like radio, and they all like Ozma, and most people who do like radio, well they like ______, which isn't at all like Ozma, so I guess Ozma is fucked"?
Now the point brought forth by Mike about Ozma not really fitting in...agree and disagree. One song that fits in will get people to buy the album, or at least to download the album, and maybe they will like more songs. Getting their name out there is more important than anything at this point.
I think it depends on location. Some places have horrible radio. It would not be likely that people who like ozma would like it in those area's. I'm not the person to try to be indie so that it crowds my thinking to be open minded, but seriously the radio in my area is better now but before they just would not play that much stuff that enjoyed. I do not enjoy wannabe "hardcore music", "overly emotional" or most country, and hip hop. Simply put.
Quote from: oatmeal on June 21, 2007, 07:18:04 am
PS: Would you guys stop arguing with words?
Best complaint ever.
QuoteI just heard the Pathetique Sonata in full on the radio yesterday coming home from a road trip, and it made me so happy).
The first half of the first movement is Samuel. I don't care for the other half, nor the other 2 movements.
That's cool they played the entire thing though. How long did it take? Like 20 minutes?
Quote from: Rome on June 30, 2007, 06:28:58 pm
QuoteI just heard the Pathetique Sonata in full on the radio yesterday coming home from a road trip, and it made me so happy).
The first half of the first movement is Samuel. I don't care for the other half, nor the other 2 movements.
That's cool they played the entire thing though. How long did it take? Like 20 minutes?
I can't remember, but it was probably that long. It might have been shorter if they skipped the repeats. It didn't seem very long to me.
wouldn't it be a better world with more good music and less crap on the radio?
wouldn't it be a better world if everyone TURNED THE RADIO OFF! i have no clue whatsoever what new bands are being played on the radio and i am thrilled.
Quote from: VanSlegr Fan on July 02, 2007, 05:13:48 pm
wouldn't it be a better world if everyone TURNED THE RADIO OFF! i have no clue whatsoever what new bands are being played on the radio and i am thrilled.
Nah, non-commercial radio is still fucking awesome, lets not lump everything together man. :)
QuoteNah, non-commercial radio is still fucking awesome, lets not lump everything together man. Smiley
not familiar with any non commericial radio, unless u mean talk radio or NPR
Quote from: VanSlegr Fan on July 03, 2007, 06:54:45 am
QuoteNah, non-commercial radio is still fucking awesome, lets not lump everything together man. Smiley
not familiar with any non commercial radio, unless u mean talk radio or NPR
I'm referring to college radio, specifically, but there is a lot of public radio that is non-commercial and excellent.
I would suggest poking around, perhaps looiking up online local colleges to see if one has their own station. My college's radio station (where I wasa dj for a while), is dedicated to bringing music&talk to the community that they can't get anywhere else. And Ozma has been played by the station many-a-time.
You can look up non-commercial stations near you here:
http://www.gumbopages.com/other-radio.html
also, not all college radio is cool either. one of the college stations in town is worse than any of the mainstream stations around here.
I don't think any collage radio exists where I live.
Quote from: VanSlegr Fan on July 03, 2007, 06:54:45 am
QuoteNah, non-commercial radio is still fucking awesome, lets not lump everything together man. Smiley
not familiar with any non commericial radio, unless u mean talk radio or NPR
Do you live in Dallas or Ft. Worth? If the latter, there is 88.7 The Choice.
all we have where oatmeal and i live are "alternative" rock stations, rap and country
QuoteDo you live in Dallas or Ft. Worth? If the latter, there is 88.7 The Choice.
dallas. i think its 87.9 is KNON and theres a UNT station, and a Mesquite HS station that ive heard of, but i dunno the stations numbers.
Quote from: Not Jason on June 21, 2007, 04:55:33 pm
Ozma, however, is vaguely comparable to what that's currently successful? Anything? Not really. With few exceptions, you need to ride on some current wave.
I'm a bit late, I know... but i tend to disagree. While there is not much American music that is really similar, there are several international bands that would come into my mind. Eg the Kaiser Chiefs or the latest Muse album, i think Starlight would have fitted perfectly onto Pasadena :) I'd say the latest Billy Talent single (Surrender) also sounds remotely like barriers or motorology, though generally they play more uptempo punk stuff. You could also argue that they are not that successfull, but they are really big in Canada and Germany. And regarding Germany, several local bands come into my mind that are more or less similar to ozma and pretty successfull here, though you have probably never heard of any of them (wir sind helden, juli, sportfreunde stiller).
Of course, Ozma would need to publish the album and come touring europe, if they want to sell records here (*hinthinthint* ;))
Well, my argument is basically for singles like "Eponine" and "No One Needs to Know". I believe a song like HVH has strong potential, but the current singles do not mesh at all with the direction of modern pop.
Quote from: VanSlegr Fan on July 02, 2007, 05:13:48 pm
wouldn't it be a better world if everyone TURNED THE RADIO OFF!
YEAH! Let's just sack off a hundred-odd year old medium because we don't like the music that most mainstream stations play! That'll learn 'em!
Saying that "radio sucks" just because mainstream commercial radio plays crap music is like... well... it's like saying that "music sucks" just because of all the shit that fills the charts.
Sorry, but as someone with a deep-seated love and passion for radio as a medium, I found your comment extremely offensive. Don't slag off the medium just because of the crap that most people use it for.
QuoteSorry, but as someone with a deep-seated love and passion for radio as a medium, I found your comment extremely offensive
:'( . lol
Quote from: VanSlegr Fan on July 13, 2007, 06:11:31 pm
QuoteSorry, but as someone with a deep-seated love and passion for radio as a medium, I found your comment extremely offensive
:'( . lol
you're wrong. lol
i think that we should all listen to bands that aren't on the radio, and then once they are on the radio, stop listening to them because of how big of sellouts they become, and how crappy their music became!!!!!!!
that just might be crazy enough to work!
Quote from: Rome on July 24, 2007, 04:53:37 pm
i think that we should all listen to bands that aren't on the radio, and then once they are on the radio, stop listening to them because of how big of sellouts they become, and how crappy their music became!!!!!!!
Or talk about how you liked them before they got famous.
Quote from: Martha Gail on July 26, 2007, 12:08:27 pm
Quote from: Rome on July 24, 2007, 04:53:37 pm
i think that we should all listen to bands that aren't on the radio, and then once they are on the radio, stop listening to them because of how big of sellouts they become, and how crappy their music became!!!!!!!
Or talk about how you liked them before they got famous.
no, that's stupid. You should talk about how you disliked them even before they got big.
both very, very good ideas.