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-Straight Flush (Brilliant)
-Barriers (Shatters some assumptions that it'd be the Yes Dear's "Barriers". Not bad.)

Contrary to my doubts that I'd like the new stuff...I really like this. Damn.

why did you have any doubts?

are you that pessimestic?

LOVE them. great songs. very excited.

Quote from: WhoYouCallinWeez on September 07, 2006, 09:25:30 pm
LOVE them. great songs. very excited.

totally

Quote from: k24 on September 07, 2006, 09:23:35 pm
why did you have any doubts?

are you that pessimestic?

Yeah, apparently I'm that *pessimistic.
Actually, what we've had to judge, I didn't really like that "new song" that they did at some shows, the one that people were debating the lyrics over. Wasn't too sure how the new sound would be.

But I like this stuff. A lot.

i am having a love affair with "straight flush"

the 5/5/06 version of this song was great... but this is taking it to another level.

i like straight flush...beautiful and rockin...kid icarus is beautiful as well...dans voice sounds stronger than ever...i like the dirsection theyre going...wens the new album come out???

They're musically interesting.  And I like the screamy vocals at the end of that second one.  ...But they're not very memorable.

Quote from: yoshigaki on September 07, 2006, 11:06:05 pm
...But they're not very memorable.

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Quote from: ozmadic on September 07, 2006, 10:46:06 pm
i like straight flush...beautiful and rockin...kid icarus is beautiful as well...dans voice sounds stronger than ever...i like the dirsection theyre going...wens the new album come out???

wait, there's a new studio/demo version of kid icarus?

as for the new songs not being memorable, i think 'straight flush' is pretty fuckin' memorable.

Wow, Straight Flush is at least twice as awesome as the already good live version I have, and after one listen I love Barriers too.

it's so nice to hear Ozma tracks with a decent drum sound for once! I think these are both stone jams, as they say. I'll probably have more thoughts after listening a few more times. I am also now excitedly anticipating hearing the other two songs they recorded.

i thought they recorded 8 songs?

nope.

Quote from: yoshigaki on September 07, 2006, 11:06:05 pm
They're musically interesting.Ã,  And I like the screamy vocals at the end of that second one.Ã,  ...But they're not very memorable.

i didn't want to be the first to say it.

agreed.

Damn..on Straight Flush..at about 2:29 after Dan's scream...the guitars...doing intervals or whatever it is...sounds so badass. The only word i can really come up with is 'beautiful' in how I think that part is.

I'm so gay, haha.

Getting excited at the fact that I'll get to see it in a couple weeks.

I like straight flush.

Quote from: ozmadic on September 07, 2006, 10:46:06 pm
i like straight flush...beautiful and rockin...kid icarus is beautiful as well...dans voice sounds stronger than ever...i like the dirsection theyre going...wens the new album come out???

I talked to Star recently and she said that hopefully
the new album will be out by next summer.

After hearing a song like Straight Flush
I highly anticipate the new album.

I saw them play
"Hands On The Wheel" and "Uptown" (with lyrics).
I hope they put out demos for these songs as well.

i talked to Ryen at the Dallas show, when i asked about the new album, i said "any time soon? maybe a few years?" he just shrugged and said "i dunno". its good to hear Star put a time frame on it. So hopefully a new Rentals and Ozma album in 07. nice.

listened to straight flush and i found it boring :-[

Both OK. I don't think I'd like either to make it onto an album, though. I wouldn't say they are boring, but they don't particularly excite me (after 2 listens).

- Tim "gun-jump" Collins

Do you guys mega-prefer the poppy Ozma songs? Just wondering if that's your basis on the opinion.

not particularly, i really enjoy battlescars which doesn't fit the category of power pop because its a bit grungy with its alternating of rocking out to slowing it down with a sad melody. these songs just don't excite me at all or affect my mood in anyway.

There's definitely a section of people that are going to be pissed they're going further away from that 'classic ozma' kind of sound (harmonies, cutesy shit)... maybe even moreso than how people didn't like 'Borderline'.

Which is a shame, because this stuff is just as, if not more interesting.

i agree, im in the slim minority that doesnt think R&R3 is the best of theres, i listen to Borderline the most, followed by most of Doubble Donkey, not all of it thou. R&R3 does rock, but i prefer the newer style.

i only listened to both of them once, but i didnt like either, i really hope they grow on me

I realize a lot of it has to do with the way both Dan and Ryen sing now... But.. Straight Flush sounds a bit like a Gone With the Ghosts song, and Barriers a Yes Dear song. Each have a bit of Ozma flair thrown in. I don't know. I think both songs could use some harmonies. I mean, you can hear some very slightly harmonies in certain parts, but not enough. As it is now, neither song really grabs me. But I have faith that future versions might be better.

And I'd like to hear a demo of a new song where Dan and Ryen both sing, not just one of them. Their voices have both progressed and I think it'd be awesome to hear them playing off each other.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I do like the new spacey/futuristic sound in Barriers. And the drums are great in both songs, as mentioned.

I want more Jose and Star.

DDD/RRp3 is where I wish Ozma would return to...

New stuff isn't exactly boring, but (if the entire album is like the new songs) I don't think it's going to last long in my cd player.

I was skeptical at first, but I really enjoy both songs. 

I think the thing I like the most about these songs is that they don't sound like any previously existing Ozma material.  Yes, Rock and Roll Part Three is a classic Ozma record, but it hasn't exactly aged with me if I may be honest.  I want to hear a record put out by twenty-somethings that sounds like a record put out by twenty-somethings.  They were a phenominally talented high school band, but they aren't in high school anymore, and I don't really want them trying to reconect with that, cause I don't think it would hold my interrest at this point.

"Straight Flush" bored me at the beginning and built up to something that proved enjoyable.  Where "Barriers" falls flat (read below), this song succeeds in being very dynamic.  Arguably, though, it is too inaccessable to be immediately enjoyable.  I'm still not sure I really "get" this song.  It has moments where I get really into it, but as a whole, it has yet to really click with me.

"Barriers" has a lot of potential, but I'm not sure yet if it lives up to it.  The melodies are Samuel, but I sort of feel like it's not quite the sum of it's parts.  It feels like it needs something that's not in there.  Like a real bridge or a buildup/solo or something.  It needs something to indicate motion.  As it is, it busts out of the gate strong, but doesn't have any really substancial dynamic changes throughout.  That could take this song from being merely okay to being fantastic, but at this point, it feels unfinished.  They synth is excellent, and the arangements are generally pretty solid.

what do you guys think they should change to make these songs better/more enjoyable to you? faster? crazy guitar solos? backup vocals? vocoder? massive echo chambers? def leppard style choruses?

I dunno... I like the classic ozma better at this point. The New Ozma I think might grow on me but classic Ozma will always hold a special place in my heart.

Straight Flush is kind of boring to me, I like Barriers better.

i think these songs show a lot of growth, especially by daniel.  i love how "straight flush" and "kid icarus" have this kickass angsty/angry drive to them.  he's really matured into a singing style of his own.

both of daniels and ryens projects during this past year's influence can be seen.  straight flush is more folky, and barriers seems like yes dear, but this is not necessarily a bad thing. 

rock and roll part three might be my least favorite ozma album (i do love it, but DDD is my favorite).  i think its best for these guys to move away from that type of music, and mature into their own styles.  do you remember how annoying it is to mention ozma and automatically have weezer associated with them?

i myself am a big fan of these new songs.  i'll admit on the first listen or two i wasn't.  but then certain things started jumping out of them at me.  i absolutely love the synth/guitar solo with them harmonizing in straight flush.  i love the screaming by daniel after the solo and ryen at the end of barriers.  i could also see how kid icarus would fit with this "new" ozma sound.

i'm very excited for the future.

I dunno, I see this obvious split between Ryen/Dan

Ryen has the whole rockin thing goin on.
Dan has the whole artsy-ish thing.


I guess its kind of a Lennon/McCartney thing goin on, but it kinda bugs. I miss the old days when I couldn't tell them apart, haha.



Oh, and I still wish they'd put D Song in there, and polish it up.

Quote from: Fantastic Max on September 11, 2006, 10:04:23 pm

Oh, and I still wish they'd put D Song in there, and polish it up.

:rockinit:

Straight Flush is awesome.
Barriers is good.

Someone (who shall remain nameless for safety reasons) suggested that there's a 'new Weezer' element to Barriers.

I hadn't really noticed before, but now that it's been pointed out I can definitely hear it. Bit Make Believe-ey.

An ironic twist to the 'new direction'?

Ommmmmm.

I love the new songs, but I hope to hear some more vocal harmonizing in the other songs they've recorded. I think thats a big part of what makes Ozma so fun.

On further listening, I think I might enjoy them more once there's more depth to it. Sounds muffled, and that's driving me nuts.

Quote from: amish on September 12, 2006, 05:14:59 pmSounds muffled, and that's driving me nuts.

I'm not entirely informed on MySpace's music process, but I'm guessing it asks for an MP3, which it then encodes into its own format to stream through its player--and judging by the MP3 demos the guys have provided directly in the past, they're possibly in the 128kbps-192kbps range to begin with.  Definitely sounds like (re-)compression artifacting.

I think they need to put in more clever stuff, like in old songs. Trade-offs in songs, deliveries...whatever. Something exciting.

What Bob said is pretty accurate in terms of how MySpace music works.  It's also worth noting that these likely are not finished products, and were probably rushed to be mixed and put online.  That surely contributes slightly as well.

Quote from: Bob511 on September 12, 2006, 05:31:15 pm
-and judging by the MP3 demos the guys have provided directly in the past, they're possibly in the 128kbps-192kbps range to begin with.  Definitely sounds like (re-)compression artifacting.

I think it's even worse; I once was told they are about 96kbps original.

Quote from: Fantastic Max on September 12, 2006, 09:43:12 pm
I think they need to put in more clever stuff, like in old songs. Trade-offs in songs, deliveries...whatever. Something exciting.

agreed, but i think there is a fine line between something clever and something gimmicky, and that's the last thing i would want. do you think they should try to fix barriers by trying to find something exciting to change about it, or just ditch it and work on other songs?

i disagree with the poster in the "dan = ozma" thread. both ryen and dan are wonderful musicians on their own, but almost all "of the "classic ozma" songs were a collaborative effort. it seems to me that they haven't quite hit their groove yet writing together again, but i'm sure it will happen soon.

I addressed the fact that the songs seemed unfinished when talking to dan, and he said that they were still sort of works in progress.  It's possible that they might change in future versions.

I'd be scared shitlless reading all of our comments about the issue, haha. Feeling pressured to write good music, haha.

I hope they do read this, take our suggestions to heart...Orr..completely disregard them, and make some good fucking music because they want to, and it's great to them.

Either way.

Any work that needs to be done, I'm sure will be done because the band thinks it needs to be done.  Of course that makes sense, because the band probably knows more about songwriting than most of the people in this thread (definitely more than myself).

I've been doing some more listening and Straight Flush has grown on me a lot. It now pleases me.

Unfortunately, I still can't get excited about Barriers. It's not bad, but it's definitely lacking something.

to me neither sound like ozma songs, one sounds like dan post ozma, and the other, ryen post ozma. but neither ozma

they removed barriers from the myspace player.

i didn't like it as much as i liked straight flush but it was still a good tune. the synth effects overshadowed the guitar, so it was a bit of a departure from what i'd usually recognize as ozma (it had a yes dear vibe going on).

as for the 'daniel = ozma?' debate, i disagree. i think ryen and dan compliment eachother perfectly. jose is also extremely important. as long as they can agree on what they choose to put out, i'll find interest in it.   

I can't get the new song "darkness into light" to play.  :(

Quote from: noonchild on September 14, 2006, 11:52:36 pm
I can't get the new song "darkness into light" to play.  :(

Download it.

i like barriers more than this one.  you guys are too harsh on barriers.

I was going to say, am I weird for liking Barriers the most of these three songs?  I definitely like all three, though.  Actually, Kid Icarus is my favorite new song so far.

Why is Darknes into Light downloadable but the other two weren't?

Now they all are. :)

barriers isnt.

Guess it wasn't apparent that I was speaking of the songs actually present on MySpace...

I kind of wish ozma had gone in a quirkier, poppier, rock direction rather than with the overly serious big rock sound.  I think that these kind of songs (like bad dogs, and even battlescars) sound a little forced and insincere.  I think they do pop (and even mellow indieish stuff like your name) better.

As bad as it sounds, I think the songs are okay and all but I really hope they all don't end up sounding like this. Because then they'll all be... kinda the same. The thing I loved about Borderline was how different every song really was. Turtleneck coverup is one of my favorite songs, as well as wake up on there. I want to hear everyone in Ozma scream out singing to powerpopy guitars and that synth I can't get enough of. T_T

edit: Not to mention the different instrumentations for pretty much every song.

Quote from: The Other Mike on September 17, 2006, 08:21:33 am
I kind of wish ozma had gone in a quirkier, poppier, rock direction rather than with the overly serious big rock sound.Ã,  I think that these kind of songs (like bad dogs, and even battlescars) sound a little forced and insincere.Ã,  I think they do pop (and even mellow indieish stuff like your name) better.

I kind of agree with that. Cept that I do love both Bad Dogs and Battlescars, so not that..but the rest..yeah.

It just seems like there a few splits between preferences among us all.

There are those, who feel that bands should completely re-invent themselves whenever they can, and completely welcome anything new and crazy, others who are the exact opposite who feel, Ozma should stick to poppy melodic stuff, others who are in the middle, who want to keep the old sound but let it evolve a bit.

And it's pretty obvious with everyone's comments who's for what. I dunno, I guess I find myself in kind of the middle..the whole wanting the old sound, but with perhaps, some evolution.

very nicely put. im all for the Melodic Powerpop sound, but yes a lil evolution wouldn't hurt that sound.

idk guys.  i love the new songs.  they're growing.  you have to keep in mind they're not 18 anymore.  thes are really mature, ass-kicking, rock songs.  if you don't like straight flush, you're just wrong.

Quote from: brad on September 17, 2006, 09:31:46 pm
idk guys.Ã,  i love the new songs.Ã,  they're growing.Ã,  you have to keep in mind they're not 18 anymore.Ã,  thes are really mature, ass-kicking, rock songs.Ã,  if you don't like straight flush, you're just wrong.

then don't call it ozma

Quote from: brad on September 17, 2006, 09:31:46 pm
idk guys.Ã,  i love the new songs.Ã,  they're growing.Ã,  you have to keep in mind they're not 18 anymore.Ã,  thes are really mature, ass-kicking, rock songs.Ã,  if you don't like straight flush, you're just wrong.

Haha, I never said I didn't like em...I actually love Straight Flush, and Darkness Into Light.

I really really like Strait Flush, but I definitely think if the album needs some simple, poppy yet brilliant songs, like thier old ones. I like the more mature songs but I dont want an entire album of it. I like both what can I say. Hopefully ryen and danniel will "blend" their sound with alot of co-writing, like said in the other topic, I think Ryen and Dan work best together, although their both brilliant. I love ozma.

Quote from: Colt45 on September 17, 2006, 10:13:04 pm

Quote from: brad on September 17, 2006, 09:31:46 pm
idk guys.  i love the new songs.  they're growing.  you have to keep in mind they're not 18 anymore.  thes are really mature, ass-kicking, rock songs.  if you don't like straight flush, you're just wrong.

then don't call it ozma

All sorts of bands have gone through radical changes in their sound over time while keeping the same name.  The Beatles are a prime example.  Why does a stylistic change mean Ozma should no longer be called Ozma?  It's the same band except for the drummer, and again, all sorts of bands have changed drummers.

Quote from: Jeff42 on September 17, 2006, 11:48:48 pm

Quote from: Colt45 on September 17, 2006, 10:13:04 pm

Quote from: brad on September 17, 2006, 09:31:46 pm
idk guys.Ã,  i love the new songs.Ã,  they're growing.Ã,  you have to keep in mind they're not 18 anymore.Ã,  thes are really mature, ass-kicking, rock songs.Ã,  if you don't like straight flush, you're just wrong.

then don't call it ozma

All sorts of bands have gone through radical changes in their sound over time while keeping the same name.Ã,  The Beatles are a prime example.Ã,  Why does a stylistic change mean Ozma should no longer be called Ozma?Ã,  It's the same band except for the drummer, and again, all sorts of bands have changed drummers.

do you realize you just compared The Beatles to Ozma?

Quote from: Colt45 on September 18, 2006, 10:13:18 am

Quote from: Jeff42 on September 17, 2006, 11:48:48 pm

Quote from: Colt45 on September 17, 2006, 10:13:04 pm

Quote from: brad on September 17, 2006, 09:31:46 pm
idk guys.  i love the new songs.  they're growing.  you have to keep in mind they're not 18 anymore.  thes are really mature, ass-kicking, rock songs.  if you don't like straight flush, you're just wrong.

then don't call it ozma

All sorts of bands have gone through radical changes in their sound over time while keeping the same name.  The Beatles are a prime example.  Why does a stylistic change mean Ozma should no longer be called Ozma?  It's the same band except for the drummer, and again, all sorts of bands have changed drummers.

do you realize you just compared The Beatles to Ozma?

Dude, you're a shmuck.  He was simply using them of an example of how bands change thier sound and not their name.

Quote from: noonchild on September 18, 2006, 10:22:12 am

Quote from: Colt45 on September 18, 2006, 10:13:18 am

Quote from: Jeff42 on September 17, 2006, 11:48:48 pm

Quote from: Colt45 on September 17, 2006, 10:13:04 pm

Quote from: brad on September 17, 2006, 09:31:46 pm
idk guys.  i love the new songs.  they're growing.  you have to keep in mind they're not 18 anymore.  thes are really mature, ass-kicking, rock songs.  if you don't like straight flush, you're just wrong.

then don't call it ozma

All sorts of bands have gone through radical changes in their sound over time while keeping the same name.  The Beatles are a prime example.  Why does a stylistic change mean Ozma should no longer be called Ozma?  It's the same band except for the drummer, and again, all sorts of bands have changed drummers.

do you realize you just compared The Beatles to Ozma?

Dude, you're a shmuck.  He was simply using them of an example of how bands change thier sound and not their name.

use Weezer instead.

;)

i think that you can use the beatles as an example for ozma, because no matter what song the beatles wrote or played you could always say "thats a beatles song" and they didnt have to stick with one sound.

im not saying that i want ozma to stick with the same sound, but instead just be able to write what they want and still make it sound like themselves

Quote from: Colt45 on September 17, 2006, 10:13:04 pm

Quote from: brad on September 17, 2006, 09:31:46 pm
idk guys.Ã,  i love the new songs.Ã,  they're growing.Ã,  you have to keep in mind they're not 18 anymore.Ã,  thes are really mature, ass-kicking, rock songs.Ã,  if you don't like straight flush, you're just wrong.

then don't call it ozma

Stupidest post of the day!

Quote from: brad on September 17, 2006, 09:31:46 pm
idk guys.  i love the new songs.  they're growing.  you have to keep in mind they're not 18 anymore.  thes are really mature, ass-kicking, rock songs.  if you don't like straight flush, you're just wrong.

they don't really sound more mature to me... they sound older I guess.  Maturity to me means developing a more challenging sound, whereas this seems to be moving in the straightforward rock direction.

the added synth and more fuller sound they are going with is more challenging, and thus more mature then songs in the past where they'd just chug away on power chords and have synth in the solos.  plus i think the solos in these songs are absolutely huge, especially in straight flush, with the harmonizing of the guitar line and synth line.  another plus is i love the vocal screaming on both daniels and ryens part (in barriers).  and finally, for daniels songs at least, they have a very ass-kicking type rhythm, that almost seems angry to me.  i love this.  this is new and more mature to me.

I guess I meant challenging from the listener's perspective.  I think the 'angry' sound is the biggest turnoff.  Angry songs tend to smack of adolescence a bit unless the anger is focused on a clearly defined, interesting target.

dan and ryen get quite emotional live... so i don't really see the 'screaming' as anything threatening to the whole ozma vibe.

none of the new stuff comes off as angry or almost angry to me.

edit: i prefer the straight-foward rock direction to a mellower sound. kicking ass/rocking was always one of ozma's important strengths. the melodies are not as accessible, but they're still good melodies.

let's keep in mind that Ozma can write some great, mature songs without the teenage hook...some great songs from borderline; Your Name, Restart, Curve in the Old 1 9 and Lightyears Will Burn...which I think is one of the best songs on the record.

I can see these new songs in the same vain as those three, I just don't think they're fully developed yet. they still feel like demos to me, which is good because that's what they are...I think by the time these new songs are fully fleshed out they will be on par with any other songs of ozma's catalogue.

believe me i'm as big of an ozma fan as anyone on these boards, guarenteed... but a lot of you are confusing "more mature" with boring.

Example(s) of more mature:

Tom Petty - Wildflowers
David Bowie - Low
Green Day - American Idiot
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication
REM - Automatic For The People
Eric Clapton - Slowhand

those are artists who "reinvented" their sound, "grew up," but kept pretty much the same sound as old, just evolved it into something "more mature," "fresh," and "new."

What Ozma have done isn't evolve their old sound, instead they've just gotten boring, pretentious, and dull. They've basically taken Gone With The Ghosts sound and mixed it with the really bad and boring latter Yes Dear sound. It seems like Brummel and Slegr have discarded any possiblility of adding a hook or a decent melody to their new stuff, hence the music is more boring.

You can defend every thing these guys do because they're your "friends." I know they're really cool people and I respect every member of this band and they're a blast to see live. But saying that what they're doing is any form of musical evolution is wrong. Musical evolution is when you gradually change your sound but still sound like the same band. Green Day have recently done it successfully whether you like American Idiot or not (personally i do not though I appreciate it.)

I'm sure i'll get bashed for making this post but seriously think about it.

Are these songs really any good? If you were a record label (Which Ozma is currently shopping for) would you see these songs as a wise investment? Personally I wouldn't. Ozma were close to becomming great after Spending Time. The talent was there, the chemistry for the most part was there, it was just a little unfocused. This new stuff not only seems unfocused, but it's not even memorable. I would buy the album because I support the band, not because I enjoy the music.

In life it's good to experiment, but you're usually better off sticking with what your good at. If you disagree ask Michael Jordan how his baseball career went.

Members of Ozma if you read this you can say what you will about me, but honestly these songs suck. If John Popper heard these new songs he wouldn't give it a second listen. I know for a fact he liked Spending Time on the Borderline. If that's not enough to make you rethink your current path, than I guess you're already set in your ways.

wow, i haven't thought of it that way...

i hate the new songs. they suck.

Quote from: Colt45 on September 18, 2006, 11:58:49 pm
believe me i'm as big of an ozma fan as anyone on these boards, guarenteed... but a lot of you are confusing "more mature" with boring.

Example(s) of more mature:

Tom Petty - Wildflowers
David Bowie - Low
Green Day - American Idiot
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication
REM - Automatic For The People
Eric Clapton - Slowhand

those are artists who "reinvented" their sound, "grew up," but kept pretty much the same sound as old, just evolved it into something "more mature," "fresh," and "new."

What Ozma have done isn't evolve their old sound, instead they've just gotten boring, pretentious, and dull. They've basically taken Gone With The Ghosts sound and mixed it with the really bad and boring latter Yes Dear sound. It seems like Brummel and Slegr have discarded any possiblility of adding a hook or a decent melody to their new stuff, hence the music is more boring.

You can defend every thing these guys do because they're your "friends." I know they're really cool people and I respect every member of this band and they're a blast to see live. But saying that what they're doing is any form of musical evolution is wrong. Musical evolution is when you gradually change your sound but still sound like the same band. Green Day have recently done it successfully whether you like American Idiot or not (personally i do not though I appreciate it.)

I'm sure i'll get bashed for making this post but seriously think about it.

Are these songs really any good? If you were a record label (Which Ozma is currently shopping for) would you see these songs as a wise investment? Personally I wouldn't. Ozma were close to becomming great after Spending Time. The talent was there, the chemistry for the most part was there, it was just a little unfocused. This new stuff not only seems unfocused, but it's not even memorable. I would buy the album because I support the band, not because I enjoy the music.

In life it's good to experiment, but you're usually better off sticking with what your good at. If you disagree ask Michael Jordan how his baseball career went.

Members of Ozma if you read this you can say what you will about me, but honestly these songs suck. If John Popper heard these new songs he wouldn't give it a second listen. I know for a fact he liked Spending Time on the Borderline. If that's not enough to make you rethink your current path, than I guess you're already set in your ways.

Some excellent points. I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to say the new songs 'suck', but I agree with your general sentiment.

Quote from: The Other Mike on September 18, 2006, 05:49:00 pm
I guess I meant challenging from the listener's perspective.Ã,  I think the 'angry' sound is the biggest turnoff.Ã,  Angry songs tend to smack of adolescence a bit unless the anger is focused on a clearly defined, interesting target.

i think anger was the wrong word choice on my part.  i think these songs have more attitude.  ozma on the whole seems to have more attitude then before, judging from brummels live performances.  i'm also referring to some of the riffs with this attitude.  they really drive with attitude (like some of the bass in kid icarus -- the guitars after the line "bet you won't regret giving me a run).....this is what i'm referring to.

Quote from: Colt45 on September 18, 2006, 11:58:49 pm
believe me i'm as big of an ozma fan as anyone on these boards, guarenteed... but a lot of you are confusing "more mature" with boring.

Example(s) of more mature:

Tom Petty - Wildflowers
David Bowie - Low
Green Day - American Idiot
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication
REM - Automatic For The People
Eric Clapton - Slowhand

those are artists who "reinvented" their sound, "grew up," but kept pretty much the same sound as old, just evolved it into something "more mature," "fresh," and "new."

What Ozma have done isn't evolve their old sound, instead they've just gotten boring, pretentious, and dull. They've basically taken Gone With The Ghosts sound and mixed it with the really bad and boring latter Yes Dear sound. It seems like Brummel and Slegr have discarded any possiblility of adding a hook or a decent melody to their new stuff, hence the music is more boring.

You can defend every thing these guys do because they're your "friends." I know they're really cool people and I respect every member of this band and they're a blast to see live. But saying that what they're doing is any form of musical evolution is wrong. Musical evolution is when you gradually change your sound but still sound like the same band. Green Day have recently done it successfully whether you like American Idiot or not (personally i do not though I appreciate it.)

I'm sure i'll get bashed for making this post but seriously think about it.

Are these songs really any good? If you were a record label (Which Ozma is currently shopping for) would you see these songs as a wise investment? Personally I wouldn't. Ozma were close to becomming great after Spending Time. The talent was there, the chemistry for the most part was there, it was just a little unfocused. This new stuff not only seems unfocused, but it's not even memorable. I would buy the album because I support the band, not because I enjoy the music.

In life it's good to experiment, but you're usually better off sticking with what your good at. If you disagree ask Michael Jordan how his baseball career went.

Members of Ozma if you read this you can say what you will about me, but honestly these songs suck. If John Popper heard these new songs he wouldn't give it a second listen. I know for a fact he liked Spending Time on the Borderline. If that's not enough to make you rethink your current path, than I guess you're already set in your ways.

Agreed, except for the songs sucking.

I really do like barriers.

Quote from: Colt45 on September 18, 2006, 11:58:49 pm
believe me i'm as big of an ozma fan as anyone on these boards, guarenteed... but a lot of you are confusing "more mature" with boring.

Example(s) of more mature:

Tom Petty - Wildflowers
David Bowie - Low
Green Day - American Idiot
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication
REM - Automatic For The People
Eric Clapton - Slowhand

those are artists who "reinvented" their sound, "grew up," but kept pretty much the same sound as old, just evolved it into something "more mature," "fresh," and "new."

What Ozma have done isn't evolve their old sound, instead they've just gotten boring, pretentious, and dull. They've basically taken Gone With The Ghosts sound and mixed it with the really bad and boring latter Yes Dear sound. It seems like Brummel and Slegr have discarded any possiblility of adding a hook or a decent melody to their new stuff, hence the music is more boring.

You can defend every thing these guys do because they're your "friends." I know they're really cool people and I respect every member of this band and they're a blast to see live. But saying that what they're doing is any form of musical evolution is wrong. Musical evolution is when you gradually change your sound but still sound like the same band. Green Day have recently done it successfully whether you like American Idiot or not (personally i do not though I appreciate it.)

I'm sure i'll get bashed for making this post but seriously think about it.

Are these songs really any good? If you were a record label (Which Ozma is currently shopping for) would you see these songs as a wise investment? Personally I wouldn't. Ozma were close to becomming great after Spending Time. The talent was there, the chemistry for the most part was there, it was just a little unfocused. This new stuff not only seems unfocused, but it's not even memorable. I would buy the album because I support the band, not because I enjoy the music.

In life it's good to experiment, but you're usually better off sticking with what your good at. If you disagree ask Michael Jordan how his baseball career went.

Members of Ozma if you read this you can say what you will about me, but honestly these songs suck. If John Popper heard these new songs he wouldn't give it a second listen. I know for a fact he liked Spending Time on the Borderline. If that's not enough to make you rethink your current path, than I guess you're already set in your ways.

oh how i totally agree with this comment. yes, i will still buy the album cuz i support them but not becuz its a great album. yes, STOTB is a mature album compared to their previous based on their style of writtings and all. But if you were to call the newer stuffs mature, i don't think so. MAybe the synthesizer sounds new, but i've already heard those on bands like THE RENTALS, THE ANNIVERSARY. Maybe ozma just don't have their magic anymore, just like how weezer lost their edge.

Sometimes i wonder, who will be the next 'OZMA'?

I'm gonna wait to pass judgment until a whole album is complete and in my hands for me to listen to top to bottom.

Quote from: Colt45 on September 18, 2006, 11:58:49 pm
What Ozma have done isn't evolve their old sound, instead they've just gotten boring, pretentious, and dull. They've basically taken Gone With The Ghosts sound and mixed it with the really bad and boring latter Yes Dear sound. It seems like Brummel and Slegr have discarded any possiblility of adding a hook or a decent melody to their new stuff, hence the music is more boring.

I wouldn't say that... Kid Icarus has plenty of hooks and memorable melodies. Now that song kicks ass.

I'm not really that big on Barriers and the other song, but Kid Icarus is ace, from what I've heard on the bootlegs. I love Straight Flush too, but yeah, it's not that memorable.

darkness into light is good, and i find myself singing straight flush. so we should probably all wait until they have an album to start the critiquing

I like almost everything I've heard so far better than most of the stuff from spending time.  I might stand pretty much alone here, but I think they're going in the right direction.  I'm not sure if they've really achieved what they are ultimately working towards just yet, but I see these as steps in the right direction, personally.

The new one is pretty darn good. :rockinit:

the new songs rock beautifully, but they dont ozma beautifully. but if this is what they are trying to achieve then they are doing it well

Quote from: I like ozma. on September 20, 2006, 02:58:04 pm
the new songs rock beautifully, but they dont ozma beautifully. but if this is what they are trying to achieve then they are doing it well

ozma's a verb?

"I Wonder" is fricken awesome.  :)

Quote from: Not Jason on September 20, 2006, 12:04:25 pm
I like almost everything I've heard so far better than most of the stuff from spending time.Ã,  I might stand pretty much alone here, but I think they're going in the right direction.Ã,  I'm not sure if they've really achieved what they are ultimately working towards just yet, but I see these as steps in the right direction, personally.

i'm with you.

the new acoustic one is alright, but all the melodies in these songs seem kind of droney.

At least that one has harmonies.

Quote from: CantelopeSkiz on September 20, 2006, 05:11:19 pm
At least that one has harmonies.

if you want harmonies, listen to my avatar.   tally hall, seriously.   myspace.com/tallyhallcom

Wow there pretty awesome :O

WHOA!

*thumbs down*

Quote from: Not Jason on September 20, 2006, 12:04:25 pm
I like almost everything I've heard so far better than most of the stuff from spending time.  I might stand pretty much alone here, but I think they're going in the right direction.  I'm not sure if they've really achieved what they are ultimately working towards just yet, but I see these as steps in the right direction, personally.

You're not alone Jason.I would not say better than spending time, but I agree with you Jason. This time I agree with you. I take back my other post. I almost let the other peoples opinion convince me, but the more I listen to these songs the more I like them. They may not be old ozma, but they have already done that. I mean I like ozma a lot, I want them to make something as great as their old stuff just in a different way. If people want them to play stuff just like ozma did before they should listen to thier old stuff. Ozma can still be great in other ways. Thier newest song(I wonder)  totally convinced me of that. I hope they will do so. Time will tell. 

i would like to use a qoute from someone who is not respected on this board and that is the other mike, he once said....."anyways, if you want to keep arguing about how the mae shi sucks, go for it.  Just know that you are wrong."
-The Other Mike

well in context with the ozma discussion, you guys can keep arguing that ozma is going in the right direction or whatever you say positive about this music. but know that you are wrong. THIS ISNT OZMA'S MUSIC this is daniel brummel and ryen slegr's new lame way of trying to sound mature.

"I wonder" is frikin beautiful... though I'm kind of ticked because I wrote a similar song months ago when I was spliting up with my girlfriend. Same chords, different lyrics obviously, just a bit different on the pattern.

Quote from: I like ozma. on September 20, 2006, 09:45:18 pm
i would like to use a qoute from someone who is not respected on this board and that is the other mike, he once said....."anyways, if you want to keep arguing about how the mae shi sucks, go for it.Ã,  Just know that you are wrong."
-The Other Mike

well in context with the ozma discussion, you guys can keep arguing that ozma is going in the right direction or whatever you say positive about this music. but know that you are wrong. THIS ISNT OZMA'S MUSIC this is daniel brummel and ryen slegr's new lame way of trying to sound mature.

you're totally right my friend. the new songs sucks that it didn't even bother me that much the i didn't get to download the new demos. i mean...lets face it, even the old denise demo is far better. guess its time to go search for a better band that could rock me ears

Quote from: I like ozma. on September 20, 2006, 09:45:18 pm
i would like to use a qoute from someone who is not respected on this board and that is the other mike, he once said....."anyways, if you want to keep arguing about how the mae shi sucks, go for it.Ã,  Just know that you are wrong."
-The Other Mike

well in context with the ozma discussion, you guys can keep arguing that ozma is going in the right direction or whatever you say positive about this music. but know that you are wrong. THIS ISNT OZMA'S MUSIC this is daniel brummel and ryen slegr's new lame way of trying to sound mature.

noob, die.

Quote from: I like ozma. on September 20, 2006, 09:45:18 pm
i would like to use a qoute from someone who is not respected on this board and that is the other mike, he once said....."anyways, if you want to keep arguing about how the mae shi sucks, go for it.  Just know that you are wrong."
-The Other Mike

well in context with the ozma discussion, you guys can keep arguing that ozma is going in the right direction or whatever you say positive about this music. but know that you are wrong. THIS ISNT OZMA'S MUSIC this is daniel brummel and ryen slegr's new lame way of trying to sound mature.

what makes you think they are trying to sound mature? i think it's more likely they're simply trying to make music that's of interest to them now. they are accomplished musicians who have a much broader range of influences than they had when they were 18. they are never going to make another RRP3. if you can't handle that, i would suggest you leave. enjoy your fantasy of what you think ozma used to be and forget they ever got back together. spare us (or at least me) your insipid non-critiques.

Quote from: I like ozma. on September 20, 2006, 09:45:18 pm
i would like to use a qoute from someone who is not respected on this board and that is the other mike, he once said....."anyways, if you want to keep arguing about how the mae shi sucks, go for it.Ã,  Just know that you are wrong."
-The Other Mike

well in context with the ozma discussion, you guys can keep arguing that ozma is going in the right direction or whatever you say positive about this music. but know that you are wrong. THIS ISNT OZMA'S MUSIC this is daniel brummel and ryen slegr's new lame way of trying to sound mature.

The Other Mike isn't respected?

seriously. why be on the board for the band to only support the old material? i mean obviously this IS still ozma, you just dont like them anymore b/c they sound different for better or worse.

Quote from: I like ozma. on September 20, 2006, 09:45:18 pm
i would like to use a qoute from someone who is not respected on this board and that is the other mike, he once said....."anyways, if you want to keep arguing about how the mae shi sucks, go for it.Ã,  Just know that you are wrong."
-The Other Mike

well in context with the ozma discussion, you guys can keep arguing that ozma is going in the right direction or whatever you say positive about this music. but know that you are wrong. THIS ISNT OZMA'S MUSIC this is daniel brummel and ryen slegr's new lame way of trying to sound mature.

Gee, thanks for denying me my right to an opinion, there. Very big of you.

Anyway, no disrespect intended to Ryen, but - assuming from the vocals that "I Wonder" and "Straight Flush" are indeed Daniel songs - the new songs really demonstrate (for me, at least) who the better songwriter is. The Ryen songs are alright, not in any way awful but nothing special either; but I think that those two I just mentioned are both pretty damned good. Weirdly, I think "Straight Flush" is quite reminiscent of post-Green Weezer - but by that I mean the few good parts of that output rather than all the crap parts.

Honestly, if Rock and Roll Part Three came out tomorrow and I'd never heard any of the songs before, I doubt I'd buy it.Ã,  Maybe I would, but I have a hard time seeing it have the same sort of impact on me now as it did back then.Ã,  I'm not just talking lyrically either.Ã,  I think musicially they've moved far enough forward now that doing the four on the floor pop stuff cannot possibly be satisfying for them, nor would I be too excited to hear it.

Having said that, when I listen to these songs, I don't hear the complete departure some of you people do.Ã,  I wonder if that is in part because a lot of people have been sitting on an old catelog of music so long that they've forgotten things like how drastic a change spending time felt like from their previous efforts.Ã,  Possibly some of the people in this argument got into Ozma with that record, and if so, it offsets your perception of the band a little bit.Ã,  To me, these sound no less Ozma than tracks like "Utsiasga;ldgh Shibuya", "Your Name" and "Wake Up" did on the first few listens.Ã,  If your willing to accept those things as legit Ozma, than why not the new stuff, which seems to have it's feet planted firmly in the traditions of Ozma's sound.Ã,  It's still very much rock based, it's still very much keyboard driven ("Darkness Into Light" even has some of that signiture doubled guitar/keys action that so defines Ozma's early work).Ã,  I think the only reason that people don't want to label this "Ozma" is because it was made 3 years too late for them to have lumped it with the rest of the catelog.

Perhaps there are valid reasons for not liking these songs, but how many of those same reasons might also be applicable to the classic Ozma catelog?Ã,  I think a lot of people have been glorifying the old body of work in excess here, and contrasting the new stuff against standards based on an over-romanticized memory of the past material.

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I think that many of you peeps are failing to remember that these songs are just drafts of a final product, there is much more to be made of these songs, but nevertheless, these are pretty good. Yes Dear clearly has had a huge influence on Ryen and Dan has been heavily influenced by his other works as well. I'd really like to hear a song co-written by the two, and having Jose help would be better as well.

I think it's lame to criticize a band for changing.  I think it's lame for I Like Ozma to quote me when doing so.  Yeah, I don't really like the way these songs sound so far, but maybe it's just that I'm not into this kind stuff anymore.  I do think the melodies are weak when comapred to some of their other stuff, though.

The Oslo Accords, officially called the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements or Declaration of Principles (DOP), were finalized in Oslo, Norway on August 20, 1993, and subsequently officially signed at a public ceremony in Washington D.C. on September 13, 1993, with Mahmoud Abbas signing for the Palestine Liberation Organization and Shimon Peres signing for the State of Israel.

Quote from: Not Jason on September 21, 2006, 01:05:17 pm
Honestly, if Rock and Roll Part Three came out tomorrow and I'd never heard any of the songs before, I doubt I'd buy it.Ã,  Maybe I would, but I have a hard time seeing it have the same sort of impact on me now as it did back then.Ã,  I'm not just talking lyrically either.Ã,  I think musicially they've moved far enough forward now that doing the four on the floor pop stuff cannot possibly be satisfying for them, nor would I be too excited to hear it.

Having said that, when I listen to these songs, I don't hear the complete departure some of you people do.Ã,  I wonder if that is in part because a lot of people have been sitting on an old catelog of music so long that they've forgotten things like how drastic a change spending time felt like from their previous efforts.Ã,  Possibly some of the people in this argument got into Ozma with that record, and if so, it offsets your perception of the band a little bit.Ã,  To me, these sound no less Ozma than tracks like "Utsiasga;ldgh Shibuya", "Your Name" and "Wake Up" did on the first few listens.Ã,  If your willing to accept those things as legit Ozma, than why not the new stuff, which seems to have it's feet planted firmly in the traditions of Ozma's sound.Ã,  It's still very much rock based, it's still very much keyboard driven ("Darkness Into Light" even has some of that signiture doubled guitar/keys action that so defines Ozma's early work).Ã,  I think the only reason that people don't want to label this "Ozma" is because it was made 3 years too late for them to have lumped it with the rest of the catelog.

Perhaps there are valid reasons for not liking these songs, but how many of those same reasons might also be applicable to the classic Ozma catelog?Ã,  I think a lot of people have been glorifying the old body of work in excess here, and contrasting the new stuff against standards based on an over-romanticized memory of the past material.

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first off i would like to say: its "catalog"

second: you are on to something here i think, i agree with most of your points that it still has some of ozmas sound. i think these songs just kinda hit a lot of people by surprise because they were expecting a song like "rocks" and i know they are a different band now then they were, but people have a tendency to stick with what made them first fall in love with something, rather than accept the changes.


third: congratulations on your 3000th post


and fourth: if -150 karma is respected, then im the second most respected person on this board

Quote from: I like ozma. on September 21, 2006, 09:47:20 pm

Quote from: Not Jason on September 21, 2006, 01:05:17 pm
Honestly, if Rock and Roll Part Three came out tomorrow and I'd never heard any of the songs before, I doubt I'd buy it.  Maybe I would, but I have a hard time seeing it have the same sort of impact on me now as it did back then.  I'm not just talking lyrically either.  I think musicially they've moved far enough forward now that doing the four on the floor pop stuff cannot possibly be satisfying for them, nor would I be too excited to hear it.

Having said that, when I listen to these songs, I don't hear the complete departure some of you people do.  I wonder if that is in part because a lot of people have been sitting on an old catelog of music so long that they've forgotten things like how drastic a change spending time felt like from their previous efforts.  Possibly some of the people in this argument got into Ozma with that record, and if so, it offsets your perception of the band a little bit.  To me, these sound no less Ozma than tracks like "Utsiasga;ldgh Shibuya", "Your Name" and "Wake Up" did on the first few listens.  If your willing to accept those things as legit Ozma, than why not the new stuff, which seems to have it's feet planted firmly in the traditions of Ozma's sound.  It's still very much rock based, it's still very much keyboard driven ("Darkness Into Light" even has some of that signiture doubled guitar/keys action that so defines Ozma's early work).  I think the only reason that people don't want to label this "Ozma" is because it was made 3 years too late for them to have lumped it with the rest of the catelog.

Perhaps there are valid reasons for not liking these songs, but how many of those same reasons might also be applicable to the classic Ozma catelog?  I think a lot of people have been glorifying the old body of work in excess here, and contrasting the new stuff against standards based on an over-romanticized memory of the past material.

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first off i would like to say: its "catalog"

second: you are on to something here i think, i agree with most of your points that it still has some of ozmas sound. i think these songs just kinda hit a lot of people by surprise because they were expecting a song like "rocks" and i know they are a different band now then they were, but people have a tendency to stick with what made them first fall in love with something, rather than accept the changes.


third: congratulations on your 3000th post


and fourth: if -150 karma is respected, then im the second most respected person on this board

1. anal

2. Rocks, I don't know why anyone would expect a song like that, that's a sorta style they haven't written in often and it was way back on RRP3. It seems like some people are kinda considering their old catalogue as a whole and comparing "Old Ozma" as a single period to "New Ozma" (where RRP3 material is as relevant for comparison as STOTBL stuff), which isn't that surprising, considering a lot of us are new fans who weren't there before STOTBL was released, like me. If you look at Ozma's sound in terms of change over time instead of lumpy groups it's a pretty smooth curve.

4. hahahahahhaha

lol@taking karma seriously.

Quote from: I like ozma. on September 21, 2006, 09:47:20 pm

Quote from: Not Jason on September 21, 2006, 01:05:17 pm
Honestly, if Rock and Roll Part Three came out tomorrow and I'd never heard any of the songs before, I doubt I'd buy it.Ã,  Maybe I would, but I have a hard time seeing it have the same sort of impact on me now as it did back then.Ã,  I'm not just talking lyrically either.Ã,  I think musicially they've moved far enough forward now that doing the four on the floor pop stuff cannot possibly be satisfying for them, nor would I be too excited to hear it.

Having said that, when I listen to these songs, I don't hear the complete departure some of you people do.Ã,  I wonder if that is in part because a lot of people have been sitting on an old catelog of music so long that they've forgotten things like how drastic a change spending time felt like from their previous efforts.Ã,  Possibly some of the people in this argument got into Ozma with that record, and if so, it offsets your perception of the band a little bit.Ã,  To me, these sound no less Ozma than tracks like "Utsiasga;ldgh Shibuya", "Your Name" and "Wake Up" did on the first few listens.Ã,  If your willing to accept those things as legit Ozma, than why not the new stuff, which seems to have it's feet planted firmly in the traditions of Ozma's sound.Ã,  It's still very much rock based, it's still very much keyboard driven ("Darkness Into Light" even has some of that signiture doubled guitar/keys action that so defines Ozma's early work).Ã,  I think the only reason that people don't want to label this "Ozma" is because it was made 3 years too late for them to have lumped it with the rest of the catelog.

Perhaps there are valid reasons for not liking these songs, but how many of those same reasons might also be applicable to the classic Ozma catelog?Ã,  I think a lot of people have been glorifying the old body of work in excess here, and contrasting the new stuff against standards based on an over-romanticized memory of the past material.

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first off i would like to say: its "catalog"

second: you are on to something here i think, i agree with most of your points that it still has some of ozmas sound. i think these songs just kinda hit a lot of people by surprise because they were expecting a song like "rocks" and i know they are a different band now then they were, but people have a tendency to stick with what made them first fall in love with something, rather than accept the changes.


third: congratulations on your 3000th post


and fourth: if -150 karma is respected, then im the second most respected person on this board

the other mike has the balls to rather strongly voice his opinion without crying about the fact that some or many people disagree with him. pretty respect-worthy, i'd say.

and really, who fucking cares? complaining about/bringing up 'karma' just shows that you're a pussy who actually does care about what other people think about you

Quote from: FireAarro on September 22, 2006, 01:32:10 am
2. Rocks, I don't know why anyone would expect a song like that, that's a sorta style they haven't written in often and it was way back on RRP3. It seems like some people are kinda considering their old catalogue as a whole and comparing "Old Ozma" as a single period to "New Ozma" (where RRP3 material is as relevant for comparison as STOTBL stuff), which isn't that surprising, considering a lot of us are new fans who weren't there before STOTBL was released, like me. If you look at Ozma's sound in terms of change over time instead of lumpy groups it's a pretty smooth curve.

Thanks. Ã, That's exactly what I was getting at, but you phrased it much more coherantly than myself. Ã, I think that a lot of people that discovered the band post-STOTB don't have a proper understanding of how their sound progressed. Ã, And in all fairness, it is kind of complicated in places. Ã, For example, somebody might look at tracks like "Game Over" and "Eponine" from Ozma's most recent record and see that as indication that Ozma, at that point, was still writing in a RRP3 style, not realizing that both of those songs probably predated DDD. Ã, Things like that need to be taken into account. Ã, Songs like "Wake Up" or "Your Name" or "Come Home Andrea" were a radical departure when they first came out (and those are not the only examples from that album). Ã, It seems to me that the new songs are less a departure from the STOTB era than STOTB was a departure from the previous era of Ozma. Ã, In any case, I don't consider STOTB to fall within the same era as RRP3 and DDD (which I feel are more closely related, but still notably different).

And I hate to give it to him, but I Like Ozma's karma joke was really funny. Ã, Though Mike does deserve massive respect.

lol@I Like Ozma correcting someone's orthography.

ok rocks was a dumb example but i was trying to think of a song with a quick strong melody

Quote from: ^_^ on September 22, 2006, 02:59:57 am

Quote from: I like ozma. on September 21, 2006, 09:47:20 pm

Quote from: Not Jason on September 21, 2006, 01:05:17 pm
Honestly, if Rock and Roll Part Three came out tomorrow and I'd never heard any of the songs before, I doubt I'd buy it.Ã,  Maybe I would, but I have a hard time seeing it have the same sort of impact on me now as it did back then.Ã,  I'm not just talking lyrically either.Ã,  I think musicially they've moved far enough forward now that doing the four on the floor pop stuff cannot possibly be satisfying for them, nor would I be too excited to hear it.

Having said that, when I listen to these songs, I don't hear the complete departure some of you people do.Ã,  I wonder if that is in part because a lot of people have been sitting on an old catelog of music so long that they've forgotten things like how drastic a change spending time felt like from their previous efforts.Ã,  Possibly some of the people in this argument got into Ozma with that record, and if so, it offsets your perception of the band a little bit.Ã,  To me, these sound no less Ozma than tracks like "Utsiasga;ldgh Shibuya", "Your Name" and "Wake Up" did on the first few listens.Ã,  If your willing to accept those things as legit Ozma, than why not the new stuff, which seems to have it's feet planted firmly in the traditions of Ozma's sound.Ã,  It's still very much rock based, it's still very much keyboard driven ("Darkness Into Light" even has some of that signiture doubled guitar/keys action that so defines Ozma's early work).Ã,  I think the only reason that people don't want to label this "Ozma" is because it was made 3 years too late for them to have lumped it with the rest of the catelog.

Perhaps there are valid reasons for not liking these songs, but how many of those same reasons might also be applicable to the classic Ozma catelog?Ã,  I think a lot of people have been glorifying the old body of work in excess here, and contrasting the new stuff against standards based on an over-romanticized memory of the past material.

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first off i would like to say: its "catalog"

second: you are on to something here i think, i agree with most of your points that it still has some of ozmas sound. i think these songs just kinda hit a lot of people by surprise because they were expecting a song like "rocks" and i know they are a different band now then they were, but people have a tendency to stick with what made them first fall in love with something, rather than accept the changes.


third: congratulations on your 3000th post


and fourth: if -150 karma is respected, then im the second most respected person on this board

the other mike has the balls to rather strongly voice his opinion without crying about the fact that some or many people disagree with him. pretty respect-worthy, i'd say.

and really, who fucking cares? complaining about/bringing up 'karma' just shows that you're a pussy who actually does care about what other people think about you

you know what you can shut your face. and you are right the other mike does voice HIS OWN opinions, unlike someone *cough*you *cough* "wow i like ozma you are so stupid, am i right mike? what do you think jason? can i be cool now?"


here is an example: "anywayz, i wish ozma would just write good ozma songs instead of writing good songsÃ, 

their not ozma lol"- ^__^

Ã,  "if you can admit that they're good songs, why not give ozma the credit they're due for writing good new (OZMA) songs? they're the ones who wrote them in the first place."- ^__^

wow, we really know where you stand mr. kerry

no.

Quote from: I like ozma. on September 22, 2006, 11:34:04 am

Quote from: ^_^ on September 22, 2006, 02:59:57 am

Quote from: I like ozma. on September 21, 2006, 09:47:20 pm

Quote from: Not Jason on September 21, 2006, 01:05:17 pm
Honestly, if Rock and Roll Part Three came out tomorrow and I'd never heard any of the songs before, I doubt I'd buy it.Ã,  Maybe I would, but I have a hard time seeing it have the same sort of impact on me now as it did back then.Ã,  I'm not just talking lyrically either.Ã,  I think musicially they've moved far enough forward now that doing the four on the floor pop stuff cannot possibly be satisfying for them, nor would I be too excited to hear it.

Having said that, when I listen to these songs, I don't hear the complete departure some of you people do.Ã,  I wonder if that is in part because a lot of people have been sitting on an old catelog of music so long that they've forgotten things like how drastic a change spending time felt like from their previous efforts.Ã,  Possibly some of the people in this argument got into Ozma with that record, and if so, it offsets your perception of the band a little bit.Ã,  To me, these sound no less Ozma than tracks like "Utsiasga;ldgh Shibuya", "Your Name" and "Wake Up" did on the first few listens.Ã,  If your willing to accept those things as legit Ozma, than why not the new stuff, which seems to have it's feet planted firmly in the traditions of Ozma's sound.Ã,  It's still very much rock based, it's still very much keyboard driven ("Darkness Into Light" even has some of that signiture doubled guitar/keys action that so defines Ozma's early work).Ã,  I think the only reason that people don't want to label this "Ozma" is because it was made 3 years too late for them to have lumped it with the rest of the catelog.

Perhaps there are valid reasons for not liking these songs, but how many of those same reasons might also be applicable to the classic Ozma catelog?Ã,  I think a lot of people have been glorifying the old body of work in excess here, and contrasting the new stuff against standards based on an over-romanticized memory of the past material.

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first off i would like to say: its "catalog"

second: you are on to something here i think, i agree with most of your points that it still has some of ozmas sound. i think these songs just kinda hit a lot of people by surprise because they were expecting a song like "rocks" and i know they are a different band now then they were, but people have a tendency to stick with what made them first fall in love with something, rather than accept the changes.


third: congratulations on your 3000th post


and fourth: if -150 karma is respected, then im the second most respected person on this board

the other mike has the balls to rather strongly voice his opinion without crying about the fact that some or many people disagree with him. pretty respect-worthy, i'd say.

and really, who fucking cares? complaining about/bringing up 'karma' just shows that you're a pussy who actually does care about what other people think about you

you know what you can shut your face. and you are right the other mike does voice HIS OWN opinions, unlike someone *cough*you *cough* "wow i like ozma you are so stupid, am i right mike? what do you think jason? can i be cool now?"


here is an example: "anywayz, i wish ozma would just write good ozma songs instead of writing good songsÃ, 

their not ozma lol"- ^__^
Ã,  "if you can admit that they're good songs, why not give ozma the credit they're due for writing good new (OZMA) songs? they're the ones who wrote them in the first place."- ^__^

wow, we really know where you stand mr. kerry

man, i feel like i'm arguing with a retard

...waitaminute!

your sarcasm detector needs some fixing.

but, you know, you telling me to shut my face has really hurt my feelings and has shown me the error of my ways. i really do want to suck jason's dick. i mean, who doesn't... right? there's no possible way that my opinions could be my own if people agree with them

if i am correct, you're the one saying that you like the songs. then you pull a 180 and say that ryen and dan are being lame by trying to sound 'mature'Ã,  Ã, 
...and "acoustic fusion"?Ã,  you're fucking retarded.

seriously, if i ever see that face on your avatar, i will fucking cut your lips off. dipshit.

the beginning of 'into the light' sounds reminiscent of a crappy emo song, imho.

Quote from: natural selection on September 22, 2006, 02:05:55 pm
the beginning of 'into the light' sounds reminiscent of a crappy emo song, imho.

really? it reminds me of van halen for some reason.

Mike...do you like Fight The Darkness? Because I love it. Shit. Cheap Trick?...

Quote from: natural selection on September 22, 2006, 02:05:55 pm
the beginning of 'into the light' sounds reminiscent of a crappy emo song, imho.

the synth sound is sort of weak, but I love the way the drums start, kenn wrote a great part. 

I like this song musically, but I think Ryen's singing and lyrics (just the chorus actually... the verses i don't really mind, but the chorus shits me) kinda annoy me now... shit. Yeah, his recent songs are more Yes Deary.

Quote from: FireAarro on September 22, 2006, 04:22:22 pm
I like this song musically, but I think Ryen's singing and lyrics (just the chorus actually... the verses i don't really mind, but the chorus shits me) kinda annoy me now... shit. Yeah, his recent songs are more Yes Deary.

i agree.  why does he keep writing songs with the same words in it?  now there's two darknesses and two barriers......his lyrics have been pretty boring lately too.

yeah one thing i love about ozma is the way they kind of tell stories, but these songs are kind of just words put together to mean nothing

The new lyrics are more open to interpretation, and have deeper meanings really. Just because they're not singing plainly about teenage love anymore doesn't mean the songs mean nothing.

Quote from: CantelopeSkiz on September 21, 2006, 03:33:49 pm
I think that many of you peeps are failing to remember that these songs are just drafts of a final product, there is much more to be made of these songs, but nevertheless, these are pretty good. Yes Dear clearly has had a huge influence on Ryen and Dan has been heavily influenced by his other works as well. I'd really like to hear a song co-written by the two, and having Jose help would be better as well.

I agree with your opnion. Good post.

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Quote from: Not Jason on September 21, 2006, 01:05:17 pm
Honestly, if Rock and Roll Part Three came out tomorrow and I'd never heard any of the songs before, I doubt I'd buy it.Ã,  Maybe I would, but I have a hard time seeing it have the same sort of impact on me now as it did back then.Ã,  I'm not just talking lyrically either.Ã,  I think musicially they've moved far enough forward now that doing the four on the floor pop stuff cannot possibly be satisfying for them, nor would I be too excited to hear it.

Having said that, when I listen to these songs, I don't hear the complete departure some of you people do.Ã,  I wonder if that is in part because a lot of people have been sitting on an old catelog of music so long that they've forgotten things like how drastic a change spending time felt like from their previous efforts.Ã,  Possibly some of the people in this argument got into Ozma with that record, and if so, it offsets your perception of the band a little bit.Ã,  To me, these sound no less Ozma than tracks like "Utsiasga;ldgh Shibuya", "Your Name" and "Wake Up" did on the first few listens.Ã,  If your willing to accept those things as legit Ozma, than why not the new stuff, which seems to have it's feet planted firmly in the traditions of Ozma's sound.Ã,  It's still very much rock based, it's still very much keyboard driven ("Darkness Into Light" even has some of that signiture doubled guitar/keys action that so defines Ozma's early work).Ã,  I think the only reason that people don't want to label this "Ozma" is because it was made 3 years too late for them to have lumped it with the rest of the catelog.

Perhaps there are valid reasons for not liking these songs, but how many of those same reasons might also be applicable to the classic Ozma catelog?Ã,  I think a lot of people have been glorifying the old body of work in excess here, and contrasting the new stuff against standards based on an over-romanticized memory of the past material.

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first off i would like to say: its "catalog"

second: you are on to something here i think, i agree with most of your points that it still has some of ozmas sound. i think these songs just kinda hit a lot of people by surprise because they were expecting a song like "rocks" and i know they are a different band now then they were, but people have a tendency to stick with what made them first fall in love with something, rather than accept the changes.


third: congratulations on your 3000th post


and fourth: if -150 karma is respected, then im the second most respected person on this board

the other mike has the balls to rather strongly voice his opinion without crying about the fact that some or many people disagree with him. pretty respect-worthy, i'd say.

and really, who fucking cares? complaining about/bringing up 'karma' just shows that you're a pussy who actually does care about what other people think about you

you know what you can shut your face. and you are right the other mike does voice HIS OWN opinions, unlike someone *cough*you *cough* "wow i like ozma you are so stupid, am i right mike? what do you think jason? can i be cool now?"


here is an example: "anywayz, i wish ozma would just write good ozma songs instead of writing good songsÃ, 

their not ozma lol"- ^__^

Ã,  "if you can admit that they're good songs, why not give ozma the credit they're due for writing good new (OZMA) songs? they're the ones who wrote them in the first place."- ^__^

wow, we really know where you stand mr. kerry

non douchebag edit:
Be quiet, think of an original insult, bad Kerry reference and stop being mad about there not being a new RaRPT

Meh, I don't care who says what about me and mike.  Our love will endure your criticisms.  Nobody should waste their time arguing about that.  I think it's a bit funny how quickly this thread erodes into playgroundisms like "shut your face".  I'm all for heated debate, but man, what are we, 6 years old?  CantelopeSkiz, I appreciate what I assume is support, but there's no need to go about it like that.

I'm all for the shit talk, but let's talk like adults and let's keep it vaguely related to Ozma here.

Yeah you're right, I was fairly miserable that night being sore all over, migrane and finding out my favorite show ever was cancelled. I Like Ozma, I'm sorry I very over reacted that time and I take back the insults.

eh, im used to it. i thought we were cool now though, but i guess not...

Quoteand finding out my favorite show ever was cancelled.

what show??

Why, The Morgan Waters Show, of course.

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I'm all for the shit talk, but let's talk like adults and let's keep it vaguely related to Ozma here.

Dear Jason,
You are a tool. I don't mean a tool like The Other Mike, I mean a tool like a Hammer. You just sit there and band any kind of rod with a head on the end. You sit there and slam that sucker until the shaft dissappears and all you can see is the glans. Ozma.

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Quote from: FireAarro on September 22, 2006, 04:22:22 pm
I like this song musically, but I think Ryen's singing and lyrics (just the chorus actually... the verses i don't really mind, but the chorus shits me) kinda annoy me now... shit. Yeah, his recent songs are more Yes Deary.

i agree.Ã,  why does he keep writing songs with the same words in it?Ã,  now there's two darknesses and two barriers......his lyrics have been pretty boring lately too.

Only quoting you because I wanted to thank the hell out of you for indirectly getting me into Tally Hall (http://www.myspace.com/tallyhallcom).
Last week when you mentioned them, I thought "Might as well, check em out" or whatever, yknow..not expecting much.

Little did I know, I'd come across a band that'd instantly jump into my top 5 favorite bands, maybe even ever.

Rarely is there a band I hear and instantly want the album. It's only been like 5 or 6 days, and I have the album, know almost all of the words to the songs, have made copies for people, and have seen every single video they have, whether it be via YouTube or their website.

So yeah. Thank you.
I love you.Ã,  haha.

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Quote from: FireAarro on September 22, 2006, 04:22:22 pm
I like this song musically, but I think Ryen's singing and lyrics (just the chorus actually... the verses i don't really mind, but the chorus shits me) kinda annoy me now... shit. Yeah, his recent songs are more Yes Deary.

i agree.Ã,  why does he keep writing songs with the same words in it?Ã,  now there's two darknesses and two barriers......his lyrics have been pretty boring lately too.

Only quoting you because I wanted to thank the hell out of you for indirectly getting me into Tally Hall (http://www.myspace.com/tallyhallcom).
Last week when you mentioned them, I thought "Might as well, check em out" or whatever, yknow..not expecting much.

Little did I know, I'd come across a band that'd instantly jump into my top 5 favorite bands, maybe even ever.

Rarely is there a band I hear and instantly want the album. It's only been like 5 or 6 days, and I have the album, know almost all of the words to the songs, have made copies for people, and have seen every single video they have, whether it be via YouTube or their website.

So yeah. Thank you.
I love you.Ã,  haha.

lol i love you too.  just saw them saturday again where they premiered their video for "good day" which should come online sometime this week.  get ready to have your mind blown.

i just told ozma how much i thought the new stuff kicks ass. and i mean everyword of it. this stuff is great!

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Quote from: FireAarro on September 22, 2006, 04:22:22 pm
I like this song musically, but I think Ryen's singing and lyrics (just the chorus actually... the verses i don't really mind, but the chorus shits me) kinda annoy me now... shit. Yeah, his recent songs are more Yes Deary.

i agree.  why does he keep writing songs with the same words in it?  now there's two darknesses and two barriers......his lyrics have been pretty boring lately too.

Only quoting you because I wanted to thank the hell out of you for indirectly getting me into Tally Hall (http://www.myspace.com/tallyhallcom).
Last week when you mentioned them, I thought "Might as well, check em out" or whatever, yknow..not expecting much.

Little did I know, I'd come across a band that'd instantly jump into my top 5 favorite bands, maybe even ever.

Rarely is there a band I hear and instantly want the album. It's only been like 5 or 6 days, and I have the album, know almost all of the words to the songs, have made copies for people, and have seen every single video they have, whether it be via YouTube or their website.

So yeah. Thank you.
I love you.  haha.

lol i love you too.  just saw them saturday again where they premiered their video for "good day" which should come online sometime this week.  get ready to have your mind blown.

Thanks Brad and Caleb! This my be one of my fav bands now too, becuase of you guys. They rock hard.

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Quote from: FireAarro on September 22, 2006, 04:22:22 pm
I like this song musically, but I think Ryen's singing and lyrics (just the chorus actually... the verses i don't really mind, but the chorus shits me) kinda annoy me now... shit. Yeah, his recent songs are more Yes Deary.

i agree.Ã,  why does he keep writing songs with the same words in it?Ã,  now there's two darknesses and two barriers......his lyrics have been pretty boring lately too.

Only quoting you because I wanted to thank the hell out of you for indirectly getting me into Tally Hall (http://www.myspace.com/tallyhallcom).
Last week when you mentioned them, I thought "Might as well, check em out" or whatever, yknow..not expecting much.

Little did I know, I'd come across a band that'd instantly jump into my top 5 favorite bands, maybe even ever.

Rarely is there a band I hear and instantly want the album. It's only been like 5 or 6 days, and I have the album, know almost all of the words to the songs, have made copies for people, and have seen every single video they have, whether it be via YouTube or their website.

So yeah. Thank you.
I love you.Ã,  haha.

lol i love you too.Ã,  just saw them saturday again where they premiered their video for "good day" which should come online sometime this week.Ã,  get ready to have your mind blown.

Thanks Brad! This my be one of my fav bands now too, becuase of you guys. They rock hard.

Not to spam up this thread, but they aren't that bad.  The coolest thing is they are based in Ann Arbor, Michigan.  If I get into U of M I might get to see them live!!!

i go to u of m -- so i see them all the time!

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Quote from: FireAarro on September 22, 2006, 04:22:22 pm
I like this song musically, but I think Ryen's singing and lyrics (just the chorus actually... the verses i don't really mind, but the chorus shits me) kinda annoy me now... shit. Yeah, his recent songs are more Yes Deary.

i agree.Ã,  why does he keep writing songs with the same words in it?Ã,  now there's two darknesses and two barriers......his lyrics have been pretty boring lately too.

Only quoting you because I wanted to thank the hell out of you for indirectly getting me into Tally Hall (http://www.myspace.com/tallyhallcom).
Last week when you mentioned them, I thought "Might as well, check em out" or whatever, yknow..not expecting much.

Little did I know, I'd come across a band that'd instantly jump into my top 5 favorite bands, maybe even ever.

Rarely is there a band I hear and instantly want the album. It's only been like 5 or 6 days, and I have the album, know almost all of the words to the songs, have made copies for people, and have seen every single video they have, whether it be via YouTube or their website.

So yeah. Thank you.
I love you.Ã,  haha.

lol i love you too.Ã,  just saw them saturday again where they premiered their video for "good day" which should come online sometime this week.Ã,  get ready to have your mind blown.

Thanks Brad! This my be one of my fav bands now too, becuase of you guys. They rock hard.

Haha I love how you took my name out of that quote, yet forgot to remove the "you guys" deeming your efforts useless :P

Quote from: brad on September 27, 2006, 02:47:32 pm
i go to u of m -- so i see them all the time!

I do now feel the shaft that Jason and others feel, about ozma always playing CA shows, where I live. Yet Tally Hall's halfway across the country.
*SIIIIGH*

Quote from: Rome on September 26, 2006, 08:27:08 pm

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I'm all for the shit talk, but let's talk like adults and let's keep it vaguely related to Ozma here.

Dear Jason,
You are a tool. I don't mean a tool like The Other Mike, I mean a tool like a Hammer. You just sit there and band any kind of rod with a head on the end. You sit there and slam that sucker until the shaft dissappears and all you can see is the glans. Ozma.

Well, I guess I've been owned.

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Quote from: FireAarro on September 22, 2006, 04:22:22 pm
I like this song musically, but I think Ryen's singing and lyrics (just the chorus actually... the verses i don't really mind, but the chorus shits me) kinda annoy me now... shit. Yeah, his recent songs are more Yes Deary.

i agree.Ã,  why does he keep writing songs with the same words in it?Ã,  now there's two darknesses and two barriers......his lyrics have been pretty boring lately too.

Only quoting you because I wanted to thank the hell out of you for indirectly getting me into Tally Hall (http://www.myspace.com/tallyhallcom).
Last week when you mentioned them, I thought "Might as well, check em out" or whatever, yknow..not expecting much.

Little did I know, I'd come across a band that'd instantly jump into my top 5 favorite bands, maybe even ever.

Rarely is there a band I hear and instantly want the album. It's only been like 5 or 6 days, and I have the album, know almost all of the words to the songs, have made copies for people, and have seen every single video they have, whether it be via YouTube or their website.

So yeah. Thank you.
I love you.Ã,  haha.

lol i love you too.Ã,  just saw them saturday again where they premiered their video for "good day" which should come online sometime this week.Ã,  get ready to have your mind blown.

Thanks Brad! This my be one of my fav bands now too, becuase of you guys. They rock hard.

Haha I love how you took my name out of that quote, yet forgot to remove the "you guys" deeming your efforts useless :P

Brad deserves to count as two people for showing us that band, and the reason I took your name out is because I checked them out because of him, when you joined the love of Tally Hall it was already useless to me.

Quote from: Not Jason on September 27, 2006, 05:08:16 pm
Well, I guess I've been owned.

Truth and Consequence, Jason. That's what I'm all about.
And Justice.

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Quote from: FireAarro on September 22, 2006, 04:22:22 pm
I like this song musically, but I think Ryen's singing and lyrics (just the chorus actually... the verses i don't really mind, but the chorus shits me) kinda annoy me now... shit. Yeah, his recent songs are more Yes Deary.

i agree.Ã,  why does he keep writing songs with the same words in it?Ã,  now there's two darknesses and two barriers......his lyrics have been pretty boring lately too.

Only quoting you because I wanted to thank the hell out of you for indirectly getting me into Tally Hall (http://www.myspace.com/tallyhallcom).
Last week when you mentioned them, I thought "Might as well, check em out" or whatever, yknow..not expecting much.

Little did I know, I'd come across a band that'd instantly jump into my top 5 favorite bands, maybe even ever.

Rarely is there a band I hear and instantly want the album. It's only been like 5 or 6 days, and I have the album, know almost all of the words to the songs, have made copies for people, and have seen every single video they have, whether it be via YouTube or their website.

So yeah. Thank you.
I love you.Ã,  haha.

lol i love you too.Ã,  just saw them saturday again where they premiered their video for "good day" which should come online sometime this week.Ã,  get ready to have your mind blown.

Thanks Brad! This my be one of my fav bands now too, becuase of you guys. They rock hard.

Haha I love how you took my name out of that quote, yet forgot to remove the "you guys" deeming your efforts useless :P

Brad deserves to count as two people for showing us that band, and the reason I took your name out is because I checked them out because of him, when you joined the love of Tally Hall it was already useless to me.

Haha I don't really care, I'd give Brad all the credit too, but I just thought it was funny you didn't take the pronouns out as well.
Little things like that will make me laugh.

Now they only have Fight the Darkness and Into Light up on their myspace.  The others were replaced by Eponine and Wake Up.

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Quote from: FireAarro on September 22, 2006, 04:22:22 pm
I like this song musically, but I think Ryen's singing and lyrics (just the chorus actually... the verses i don't really mind, but the chorus shits me) kinda annoy me now... shit. Yeah, his recent songs are more Yes Deary.

i agree.  why does he keep writing songs with the same words in it?  now there's two darknesses and two barriers......his lyrics have been pretty boring lately too.

Only quoting you because I wanted to thank the hell out of you for indirectly getting me into Tally Hall (http://www.myspace.com/tallyhallcom).
Last week when you mentioned them, I thought "Might as well, check em out" or whatever, yknow..not expecting much.

Little did I know, I'd come across a band that'd instantly jump into my top 5 favorite bands, maybe even ever.

Rarely is there a band I hear and instantly want the album. It's only been like 5 or 6 days, and I have the album, know almost all of the words to the songs, have made copies for people, and have seen every single video they have, whether it be via YouTube or their website.

So yeah. Thank you.
I love you.  haha.

lol i love you too.  just saw them saturday again where they premiered their video for "good day" which should come online sometime this week.  get ready to have your mind blown.

Thanks Brad! This my be one of my fav bands now too, becuase of you guys. They rock hard.

Haha I love how you took my name out of that quote, yet forgot to remove the "you guys" deeming your efforts useless :P

Brad deserves to count as two people for showing us that band, and the reason I took your name out is because I checked them out because of him, when you joined the love of Tally Hall it was already useless to me.

Haha I don't really care, I'd give Brad all the credit too, but I just thought it was funny you didn't take the pronouns out as well.
Little things like that will make me laugh.

quote pyramid!

They added Barriers, Eponine and Incarnation Blues to their myspace last night. Eponine and Barriers are better than the older versions and Incarnation Blues is just plain old Samuel. So go there and listen.

I love the double kick in Incarnation Blues.  I don't care if nobody agrees with me.

isn't that solo in incarnation blues from a yes dear song?

yeah that is orion*

fucking awesome,

i totally prefer the slower pace of eponine and barriers is 100 times better when i first heard it and i thought it was great then.

incarnation blues probably the best out of the three.

Agreed, Jason.... Kenn kicks so much ass on these songs. I'm also digging that fill when he brings the beat back after the bridge in Eponine.

It all sounds great, I eagerly await purchasing this one.

Quote from: Not Jason on April 04, 2007, 06:29:50 am
I love the double kick in Incarnation Blues.  I don't care if nobody agrees with me.

I agree. It's so Metal, El oh El.

Quote from: CantelopeSkiz on April 04, 2007, 06:15:06 amIncarnation Blues is just plain old Samuel.

May 15 can't get here fast enough.

It is Samuel how much life the drumming adds to the music.

"Eponine" is fucking great, as always. I of course don't like the fact that it's shorter, though I certainly understand the reasoning behind that. I love how you can hear the maturity of Daniel's voice, and the bass sounds much thicker, which I love. As mentioned, I enjoy the slower pace as well.

I liked "Barriers" from the beginning, so this version is only better in my opinion. The drum track is excellent when Kenn really gets into it. All in all, an enjoyable song.

"Incarnation Blues" just fucking rocks. I could see it possibly replacing "Natalie Portman" as a concert opener. I say this seeing as how it starts out in a similar fashion: keys and vocals, then guitar and drums. I'm not saying I want this to happen, I'm just saying it might be possible. Anyways, it's probably my favorite out of the three.

These tracks simply make me look forward to the new album even more. It sounds like the album is going to be great, not only because the band have matured as musicians, but from the contributions of Kenn as well. The stoke factor for me is off the charts  ;D

Quote from: icecreamman on April 04, 2007, 12:37:10 pm
It is Samuel how much life the drumming adds to the music.

100% agreed.

Oh wow the guys (and girl) really got good tones on this album. The guitars are perfect and the drums practically make the songs. The synth are Samuel as well. Did I mention the guitars sound good? The solos on Barriers and Incarnation Blues are pure chaos.

I love all three, but I am a little disapointed in the absense of the normal instrumental part before the first verse of Eponine. But its still great.

Quote from: CT-700 on April 04, 2007, 12:57:38 pm
Oh wow the guys (and girl) really got good tones on this album. The guitars are perfect and the drums practically make the songs. The synth are Samuel as well. Did I mention the guitars sound good? The solos on Barriers and Incarnation Blues are pure chaos.

I love all three, but I am a little disapointed in the absense of the normal instrumental part before the first verse of Eponine. But its still great.

ditto

plus, the absence of the outro guitar solo. but still, these are sounding very, very awesome. the updated no one needs to know is going to be great.

barriers is more enjoyable this time around (i still liked it, but it's even better now) and incarnation blues is my favorite so far. can't wait to hear it in the context of the album.

edit: love the gang vocals towards the end in incarnation blues. gives me chills or something close to it.

At the risk of sounding like a complete tool...

New Eponine = color version of Queens Boulevard


They better play the real version at live shows, that's all I'm saying.

Quote from: funwithsponges on April 04, 2007, 06:05:26 pm
At the risk of sounding like a complete tool...

They better play the real version at live shows, that's all I'm saying.

True 'dat.

barriers is pretty bad ass. very fantasy metal in the middle part... THAT'S fucking rockin' shiot! incarnation blues is very catchy. very double bass drum-actionesque.

this is not your father's ozma. however, though their sound transition from the rrp3 era to stotb to even this are drastically different, i can find myself referring people to give this one a hear. this album is fucking metal! that's enough ozma dick-sucking for now.

Quote from: brad on April 04, 2007, 08:00:47 am
isn't that solo in incarnation blues from a yes dear song?

yeah that is orion*

I just compared them back to back, and they are pretty similar.  In a different harmonic context though, it doesn't sound familiar (not to me at least).  But yeah, good call.

Now after listening to all 3 for the past day and a half, I think I can pretty confidently say Incarnation Blues is my favorite. Very reminscent of classic Ozma, but done in such a great "new" way. I like just about everything about it, but I really like at the very end when the bass slides up an octave and Dan vocally moves up as well. Plus the harmonized guitar solo kind of has a video game sounding style to it. Like classic Sonic. Plus I really liked Orion, so it kinda goes hand in hand.

i agree.

Why are the doing Eponine again? Two albums in a row? Despite the fact that it's at a slower tempo...

Isn't this Crass?

Quote from: siberian on April 06, 2007, 10:06:00 pm
Why are the doing Eponine again? Two albums in a row? Despite the fact that it's at a slower tempo...

Isn't this Crass?

management wanted them to redo it for a single. they trust their judgement.

it's actually not at a slower tempo. the old one was not to a click and fluctuated wildly. the new one is to a click and perhaps because it doesnt speed up in the same places, the chorus seems slower in relation to the verses.

songs started but not finished:
into light
uptown
kid icarus
ghost with a dream

so now you guys can go ahead and add those to the holy grail of unreleased ozma songs people fantasize about like "d song".

I knew I heard what sounded like Ghost With A Dream on that one video.

i wouldn't ever really consider "into light" as part of a holy grail, but i'd certainly love to hear the rest of those songs.

i wouldnt mind the fact that ozma re recorded no one needs to know and eponine if they would have made two more new songs along with it. just the fact that they only are going to have 9 new songs on an album that we have been waiting for for 5 years is what tickles my fanny

Just to be a complete asshole:

Spending Time released 2003.
Pasadena is getting released now in 2007.

2007 - 2003 = 4 years.

Additionally, you can't really say we've been waiting for this album for that entire period either.  A large chunk of that time was spent disbanded with no indication of a reunion.  Since reuniting, they've been making pretty good time with this record.

Hey, I like all these songs now! Great!

Quote from: FireAarro on April 08, 2007, 05:46:57 pm
Hey, I like all these songs now! Great!

My statement is that I agree with his statement.  I like the new take on Eponine, Barriers is quite catchy, and Incarnation Blues is right up my alley.  Good stuff!

yeah that middle section on Barriers in unlike anything I've ever heard before!  I wonder how long that took to write!

Well its essentially the same melody over and over which builds up each time until the climax of the section. It probably did not take long to write, but they probably spent a good deal of time in the studio deciding what would make it sound best; i.e. how to layer the harmonized guitar and synth.

As said before, truly Samuel.

I'm glad you like the new addition to Barriers. greg doyle wrote the chords and melody to that section - I then spent half a day writing the harmonized solo to it on my four-track. I'll post the demo one day for kicks!

Okay, I know this may be a question that has been covered, but I'll ask it anyway.

Machatte = Ryen, correct?

If so, I have to agree with whomever said the new addition to Barriers is awesome... at first I thought it was a bit out of place, but once I heard it in the context of the song, I understood.  Good job on the harmonized solo, Ryen.

And to add this, though it may be off topic, I can't even begin to tell you guys, both you, Ryen, and the rest of the band, how much you guys have inspired me... I can honestly say that your music brought me from being a snotty 17 year-old kid who didn't know a chord in the book and didn't know how to write catchy songs to being a 21 year-old kid that still doesn't know how to write catchy songs but knows how to rock... thank you for giving me the gift to rock people's proverbial booty.

Quote from: machatte on April 16, 2007, 11:41:34 pm
I'm glad you like the new addition to Barriers. greg doyle wrote the chords and melody to that section - I then spent half a day writing the harmonized solo to it on my four-track. I'll post the demo one day for kicks!

Wow awesome, thanks a lot Ryen  :)

you guys might want to check the newest ozma myspace blog. ;)

Yay HvH  :)

Haha another fine example of how the album is so metal.

So far my favorite part has to be when Dan comes in during the final chorus/outro thing ("oh it's rusted now").  Very solid.

Wow, this song is Samuel. :o

heartache vs. heartbreak is beautiful. thanks!  :-*

-Jordan  :)

YEESSSSSSS! The song I was dying to hear the most!   :D :D :D :D :D

Thank you guys SO MUCH for posting it!

Two drummers? Hahaha, cool. I like the ending. I'm refraining from commenting on the song yet, because it will likely grow on me in a while.

crap, I missed it  >:(

i thought they said "i wrote a song it was love" instead of "i could have sworn it was love" i like my interpretation better than the actual lyric though. and when i listen to it i keep thinking its going to change to "were breaking the barriers whoa oh oh"


also, it is kind of sad that jose dont have any credit for any of the songs.

Quote from: I Like Ozma on April 21, 2007, 11:00:01 am
when i listen to it i keep thinking its going to change to "were breaking the barriers whoa oh oh"

Haha, yeah I feel like that every song because of that promo video.

that happened to me with the barriers solo - i keep expecting no one needs to know to come on.

i couldnt believe it was "you and me, UNsure" i always thought it was "i'm sure" and i liked that a lot better.

Okay, it's official, I lubs teh HvH.

It's got me thinking... I hope some day they do an acoustic show with all these news songs, that some one can boot. I'm a sucker for acoustic. I would love to hear HvH acoustic in its entirety. I mean, we got a taste of it in that Kate Moss Medley...

I just realised, there are only two songs on the new album which we haven't heard some entire version of yet.

1. No One Needs To Know
DDD

2. Barriers
Myspace

3. Eponine
STOTBL

4. Fight The Darkness
Myspace (demo)

5. Heartache Vs Heartbreak
Myspace

6. Incarnation Blues
Myspace

7. Lunchbreak (Cobras Theme)
unheard!

8. Motorology 3:39
Live

9. I Wonder
Myspace (demo)

10. Underneath My Tree
EDIT LOL D SONG

11. Straight Flush
Myspace (demo)


Anyway, I just listened to the Straight Flush demo again and I am way stoked for album. Pasadena Pasadena Pasadena!  :D

Quote from: FireAarro on April 21, 2007, 06:20:42 pm10. Underneath My Tree
unheard!

Incorrect. Ever hear of a little something called "D Song"?  :D

Quote from: Kyosho on April 21, 2007, 06:47:21 pm

Quote from: FireAarro on April 21, 2007, 06:20:42 pm10. Underneath My Tree
unheard!

Incorrect. Ever hear of a little something called "D Song"?  :D

Correct. All we need to hear is Lunchbreak. Which I guess is kind of dispointing, but there's going to be so much new stuff added to the older songs anyway so they'll be great. I think Lunchbreak is going to be good, because I know Ryen's myspace headline says (or atleast used to say) something like "If only lunch could last forever", which I guess judging from the official lyrics the song could be one of his favorite new tracks.

Underneath My Tree is D Song?

I did not know that. Fucking A!

Am I the only one, then, who's been constructing a mock-up version of the album out of demos and whatnot...? ;)

I've been thinking about it, a la Smile bootlegs/playlists of the '60s.

Holy FUCK, Heartache is Samuel.

"My shining armor is rusted now"

hey hipsun -
if you are still out there.  what is the name of/what happened to the song matthew caws worked on? 

A few things..Who is Hipsun in relation to the band?...

and for hipsun directly...  What is lunchbreak like, musically, and melody wise?...

How do you feel about the album?...

Quote from: danorganplayer on April 29, 2007, 02:41:58 pm
A few things..Who is Hipsun in relation to the band?...

and for hipsun directly...  What is lunchbreak like, musically, and melody wise?...

How do you feel about the album?...

mathew caws is on motorlogy.

hipsun in relation to the band...
i've recorded lots and lots of demos for them in the last year. i co-produced the album. i engineered a bunch of synth stuff. i mixed a song. i wrote the bridge on barriers. i recorded almost all the addison stuff, so when kenn joined i tagged along.

lunch break is quite a production. it has a drum loop and lots of synth lines. i has the the best/gayest line on the record "when you reached for the cupcake i knew you were my type of girl". that's all i'm gonna say.

my feelings about the album are mixed... but who cares what i think. my favorite band is www.myspace.com/makebelieve , so what do i know. if you wanna ask me specific questions once you hear the record i'll be happy to answer, but i'd like you all to have your own opinions before i say anything.

DO you mind if i ask some questions now?...Im sorry if its bothersome but im really interested..

I do want your o pinion, how doe it stack up with there other albums?..

How did underneath my tree turn out, and what is I wonder like now?....Compared to the demo songs...

Thanks so much for answreing if you do...and those are some nice contributions u made!
lol sorry im a noob and out of the loop.

Also..Can someone link me..or give me the kid icarus demo?...

I've heard a lot about the demo but have yet to see it..O_o

there was no demo made available for fans of "kid icarus"

there are various youtube videos though

here are some:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjuaN5zfBEc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjuaN5zfBEc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6kFBv21n5Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6kFBv21n5Q)

I can't believe that song isn't on the new album. I'd take it and Into Light over the rehashes any day. *emo sigh*

Quote from: brad on April 29, 2007, 08:45:26 pm
there was no demo made available for fans of "kid icarus"

there are various youtube videos though

here are some:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjuaN5zfBEc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjuaN5zfBEc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6kFBv21n5Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6kFBv21n5Q)

(i'm just quoting this onto the final page so its not a pain in the ass to go back and forth)


yeah i agree, i think its a total crime that this song hasn't made the album.  hopefully, this is not the last we hear of it.

  FOR HIPSUN

DO you mind if i ask some questions now?...Im sorry if its bothersome but im really interested..

I do want your o pinion, how doe it stack up with there other albums?..

How did underneath my tree turn out, and what is I wonder like now?....Compared to the demo songs...

Thanks so much for answreing if you do...and those are some nice contributions u made!
lol sorry im a noob and out of the loop. 

ALSO...

Im saddened by the fact that kid icarus isnt on it either but, I think D song and Motorology ...Make up for it

any particular reason for the double post?  Spamming threads trying to get band members and related people's attention is silly, so don't do it.

it looks like some of the lyrics in that "cool song" are the same as some lyrics in motorology...the political/critical part, at least.  maybe motorology evolved at least partially from "cool song," although i don't think they are too much alike.

Quote from: Cade on April 30, 2007, 09:02:06 pm
it looks like some of the lyrics in that "cool song" are the same as some lyrics in motorology...the political/critical part, at least.  maybe motorology evolved at least partially from "cool song," although i don't think they are too much alike.

Wasn't "cool song" just one of the monikers they used on setlists for new songs? Because I am pretty sure Kid Icarus was noted as "cool song" on setlists too. And Motorology was always the song you are thinking of; its been clarified enough.

man, oh man! i am so going to be buying "pasadena" tonight in bakersfield!

como??

Quote from: Planet of Sound on May 01, 2007, 01:17:16 pm
como??

Yes...those lucky California kids get to buy the new album early, assuming they can make it to one of their shows. Jealous, I am.

Quote from: Zoso1971 on May 01, 2007, 01:24:55 pm

Quote from: Planet of Sound on May 01, 2007, 01:17:16 pm
como??

Yes...those lucky California kids get to buy the new album early, assuming they can make it to one of there shows. Jealous, I am.

Yeah, check out my topic in the concert section....

Quote from: CT-700 on May 01, 2007, 10:56:05 am

Quote from: Cade on April 30, 2007, 09:02:06 pm
it looks like some of the lyrics in that "cool song" are the same as some lyrics in motorology...the political/critical part, at least.  maybe motorology evolved at least partially from "cool song," although i don't think they are too much alike.

Wasn't "cool song" just one of the monikers they used on setlists for new songs? Because I am pretty sure Kid Icarus was noted as "cool song" on setlists too. And Motorology was always the song you are thinking of; its been clarified enough.

I don't mean they are the same song..they aren't.  They are a little bit similar in their sound though [read:  they are NOT the same song].  I'm just saying that maybe a/the reason they are not both new songs on the cd is that one evolved from the other at least partially, or they thought they sounded too much alike...in either case, they do share a few of the same lyrics (or do in those youtube videos).  If this is the case, I will defend that they are not too much alike and should have both been new songs on the cd.

Oh no, nevermind, I understand what you mean. I misunderstood your first post. Sorry if I sounded rude, it was my fault, I read wrong.

Quote from: CT-700 on May 01, 2007, 02:16:50 pm
Oh no, nevermind, I understand what you mean. I misunderstood your first post. Sorry if I sounded rude, it was my fault, I read wrong.

It's all good  :)

Oh what? So Motorology is very different from the version they played at the reunion shows? You mean I've been getting the wrong song stuck in my head over the last few days? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

P.S. from what i've heard on the photo shoot video it sounds very similar. the programmed intro is the same melody as the cool song intro and stuff. and the lyrics are identical i thought. but i haven't listened carefully.

i'm talking about reason(s) why this song:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjuaN5zfBEc    possibly isn't a new song on the album.  motorology isn't the same song as this, but they do sound a little bit alike in parts.  and share some of the same lyrics.  i'm just guessing as to why this song isn't a new song, and maybe its because parts of this song got borrowed/evolved into parts of motorology and they deemed the two songs too similar.  i don't think they are myself, though.

Quote from: Cade on May 02, 2007, 09:09:59 am
i'm talking about reason(s) why this song:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjuaN5zfBEc    possibly isn't a new song on the album.  motorology isn't the same song as this, but they do sound a little bit alike in parts.  and share some of the same lyrics.  i'm just guessing as to why this song isn't a new song, and maybe its because parts of this song got borrowed/evolved into parts of motorology and they deemed the two songs too similar.  i don't think they are myself, though.

Oh, that's Kid Icarus, isn't it?

i know its not motorology, but all i remember seeing was "new song" or something like that.

Quote from: Cade on May 02, 2007, 08:07:06 pm
i know its not motorology, but all i remember seeing was "new song" or something like that.

Yeah I agree with the 2 songs sounding similar and merged into Motorology thing,