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I knew that the official OZMA fan page would have way more positive reactions, but am I the only diehard OZMA fan who really dislikes this album?

Aside from three songs (the new Eponine, HvH, and Incarnation Blues) this album is pretty much a disaster.  Where are the melodies?  The harmonies?  The hooks?  The emotion?  Hell, where is the pop? 

This is like some downbeat faux-alt-rock album and it doesn't sound anything like OZMA.  The majority of this album is not good and I can't remember ever being this disappointed in a new release (not the worst album ever, just the most disappointing for me personally, mostly because of how much I love the band).

Anyone else feel this way? 

(Also, please don't reply if you are going to say I am not a real OZMA fan and if I were I'd like anything they put out.  If you think that you are a moron.)

Well its not going to sound like a RRP3 when that was them 8 years ago. They've grown up to be better musicians. I think there's plenty of classic elements, and especially this emotion you speak of.

You're entitled to you're opinion, but like I've told others who jump the gun on this album, give it a few listens before you judge.

i was disappointed on very first listen, as anyone always is when something is different. the album is great.

If all ceasers are jackasses, and all salads are assholes, and all ceasers are salads and ceasersalds always have assholes then would the following statement: "All ceasersalads are always jackasses all of the time" be true or false?

Quote from: tom on May 15, 2007, 10:46:10 am
You're entitled to you're opinion, but like I've told others who jump the gun on this album, give it a few listens before you judge.

Agree'd.  I ABSOLUTELY second Tom here.  When I first heard it I had the same thoughts-- it wasn't catchy and the melodies seemed "down."  However, even then I told myself that after a few listens I'd probably like it more.  I was absolutely right.  Even on the second play though I found myself liking it A LOT more.  I even LOVE Motorology and Cobra's Theme now when at first time though I was like "jeez, these songs aren't even songs."

The more I listened to it, the more I fe;l in love with little parts of songs, the lyrics, and the "uncommon" (in pop) melodies and song structures.  It really is a great album, and I'm actually surprised by how much I love the new OZMA.  That being said, I do usually skip No One & Eponine.  It's not that I don't like the new versions, but I've been listening to that for YEARS, I'm more interested in the new stuff as it continually grows on me.

Honestly, there's nothing worse than getting a super-catchy but SHALLOW album, listening to it for a week as if it's the best thing ever, and then never listening to it again... then a few months later you're like "Oh man, remember Anberlin's second album?  That was so great for a few days, but I don't even like listening to it anymore."

I hear ya guys...when I first listened through I was a litte put-off...Lunchbreak was killing me.  After listening to the album a handful of times this past week - the whole shit is golden now, I absolutley love this album.  Lunchbreak is my least favorite track on the album...but I like it alot  :D  Motorology is my favorite track on the abum.

Hey, great for you guys, but I am not sure I am going to feel the same way.

In my opinion, the worst OZMA song before this album was Bad Dogs.  After all this time, it still hasn't grown on me.  Most of this album sounds like inferior versions of Bad Dogs. 

I like to see change from bands as much as the next person, but I like it to be a logical evolution.  This is just a total departure from everything I love about OZMA.

Fortunately, I still have 4 other OZMA albums to enjoy.

this is one the catchiest records i have ever heard...in my life.

Quote from: savewhatyouare on May 15, 2007, 12:32:11 pm
this is one the catchiest records i have ever heard...in my life.

Wow.  I can't even imagine how few records you have listened to before.  Even the people on here who love the album aren't calling it catchy.

ozma has taken an awesome direction with this new album. it's more subdued, but it's Samuel.

Quote from: cesarsalad on May 15, 2007, 12:49:24 pm
ozma has taken an awesome direction with this new album. it's more subdued, but it's Samuel.

Why do you think it is Samuel? 

Quote from: Tideplaya on May 15, 2007, 12:54:11 pm

Quote from: cesarsalad on May 15, 2007, 12:49:24 pm
ozma has taken an awesome direction with this new album. it's more subdued, but it's Samuel.

Why do you think it is Samuel? 

it's good, but Samuel? not at all.

i don't dislike it because it's not Spending Time on the Borderline or RRP3, i dislike it because it's a pretty mediocre effort by the band.

It's a good album. Just nothing overly special. 3/5 stars.

Quote from: Tideplaya on May 15, 2007, 10:11:26 am
I knew that the official OZMA fan page would have way more positive reactions, but am I the only diehard OZMA fan who really dislikes this album?

Aside from three songs (the new Eponine, HvH, and Incarnation Blues) this album is pretty much a disaster.  Where are the melodies?  The harmonies?  The hooks?  The emotion?  Hell, where is the pop? 

This is like some downbeat faux-alt-rock album and it doesn't sound anything like OZMA.  The majority of this album is not good and I can't remember ever being this disappointed in a new release (not the worst album ever, just the most disappointing for me personally, mostly because of how much I love the band).

Anyone else feel this way?  

i wholeheartedly disagree.

i'm sorry you can't detect the things you expected in "Pasadena"

Quote from: Tideplaya on May 15, 2007, 12:36:37 pm
Wow.  I can't even imagine how few records you have listened to before.  Even the people on here who love the album aren't calling it catchy.

go fuck yourself.

You stay classy, Bob.

Well made points, too.  Full of logic and reason.

Quote from: Tideplaya on May 15, 2007, 01:27:18 pm
You stay classy, Bob.

Well made points, too.  Full of logic and reason.

well, it was a classy way to start things out.

and i wasn't making any points.

Quote from: Tideplaya on May 15, 2007, 01:27:18 pm
You stay classy, Bob.

Well made points, too.  Full of logic and reason.

the irony here is how wholly innaccurate and poorly constructed your own complaints are...

you don't like the album. we get it.

I guess I don't understand how you call the NEW Eponine extremely catchy, but you don't think a song like Motorology has any sort of melody?

tideplaya, your points are too general to be taken seriously.

i apologize for telling you to go fuck yourself. it was pretty uncalled for seeing that you are new and all...

but, patronizing other people with differing opinions from the get go in a thread such as this... it just isn't a very smart move.

Quote from: icecreamman on May 15, 2007, 01:46:47 pm
I guess I don't understand how you call the NEW Eponine extremely catchy, but you don't think a song like Motorology has any sort of melody?

Things I never said:

1) The new Eponine is extremely catchy.

Things I did say:

1) I really like the new version of Eponine.

For the record, I loathe the new version of No One Needs to Know.

I actually think Incarnation Blues and HvH are very catchy.  Funny, I also said I like those two songs.

Quote from: Tideplaya on May 15, 2007, 10:11:26 am

Aside from three songs (the new Eponine, HvH, and Incarnation Blues) this album is pretty much a disaster.  Where are the melodies?  The harmonies?  The hooks?  The emotion?  Hell, where is the pop? 

Then what the hell are you trying to say?

Quote from: Bob Loblaw on May 15, 2007, 01:48:55 pm
tideplaya, your points are too general to be taken seriously.

i apologize for telling you to go fuck yourself. it was pretty uncalled for seeing that you are new and all...

but, patronizing other people with differing opinions from the get go in a thread such as this... it just isn't a very smart move.

Too general?  I think I have been extremely specific.  I said that the album sounds like a faux-alt-rock record and it lacks the classic OZMA elements that I adore.  Anyone that has read this thread knows exactly how I feel.

Also, I am not "new" I just never moved on from the old board.  I have been an OZMA fan for a very long time.

I appreciate the people that actually thought out their responses in this thread, but I can't imagine the claim that this is an extremely catchy album is legitimate.  If you think that then you must have a different definition of catchy.

I spent a lot of time on this board, and most people that like the album have said it is not that catchy and it is very different from their other stuff.  I have also addressed that, very specifically.

I am not taking it personally that you guys like it, don't take it personally that I don't.

I hate any carnation of Eponine.  It's my least favorite Ozma song ever.  I hated it on STOTBL.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did they change ANYTHING about No One Needs To Know, other than Dan's vocal style?

I can't deny you you're opinion, but you seem to just be bashing the record for the fact of bashing it, instead of forming any real opinion, Tideplaya.

Catchy songs on this record: Underneath My tree, HvH, Eponine, No One Needs To Know, Incarnation Blues.
Now let me give you my definition of "Catchy"- Songs with hooks that make the song remarkable. Now, I'm not sure if you're confusing "catchy" with "poppy", because those definitely don't mean the same thing to me. While Lunchbreak is poppy, I don't find it catchy. I Wonder is a unique, pseudo folk song, that while it may not be poppy or catchy, it's something different, and is a great song.

Fact of the matter is, music is based solely on one's opinion, and I'll never deny you your opinion, but like I've stated before, give it a couple of listens. I wasn't totally in love with this album the first time I heard it, but now it's easily top 3 of this year so far--to me.

Quote from: tom on May 15, 2007, 03:14:16 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did they change ANYTHING about No One Needs To Know, other than Dan's vocal style?

Very wrong.

The musical interludes before the verses were shortened heavily.

There's a new vocal harmony in the first verse done by Star.

There's new guitar and flute in the second verse.

The solo is missing one hammer-on from the other version.

The outro is shortened.

yeah, little stuff I didn't even notice.
I haven't compared them side to side.

I love how you capitalize the entirety of "OZMA" every time you type it.

I still haven't heard the new record.  I'm on a budget right now so I can't quite justify buying it until my next check comes in.  I've heard almost everything on it in some form or another though, and I've been relatively pleased.  Whether or not this album endures as a stand out favorite for me is something that has yet to be proven, but so far, everything I've heard from it has surpassed my expectations (save for possibly the previously released songs, which to be fair didn't exactly suck either).  I look forward to finaly hearing the whole thing.

Quote from: Not Jason on May 15, 2007, 04:09:23 pm
I love how you capitalize the entirety of "OZMA" every time you type it.

I still haven't heard the new record.  I'm on a budget right now so I can't quite justify buying it until my next check comes in.  I've heard almost everything on it in some form or another though, and I've been relatively pleased.  Whether or not this album endures as a stand out favorite for me is something that has yet to be proven, but so far, everything I've heard from it has surpassed my expectations (save for possibly the previously released songs, which to be fair didn't exactly suck either).  I look forward to finaly hearing the whole thing.

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If you had checked the leak thread....

Quote from: Tideplaya on May 15, 2007, 12:05:49 pm
  Most of this album sounds like inferior versions of Bad Dogs. 

Bad Dogs is a good song.


And you said that the people on here who loved the album didn't think it was catchy, who are you referencing? A small minority? I love the album and agree that it is very catchy.

I dunno, this album has hooks in less obvious ways than other albums, it's darker, yes..but very catchy. Some badass moments too, those metal riffs in Straight Flush, the totally badass breakdown and jamming towards the end of Fight the Darkness, the "let's put wallpaper up between our ears" and "i'm waiting for a chance to make it known" parts in Motorology, the chord changes in HvH, the album's soft love ballad, "I Wonder", Dan's intensity on Incarnation Blues, Lunchbreak's pop-sound and cuteness, even Barriers(my least favorite song) finally got to me.

Quote from: Tideplaya on May 15, 2007, 12:36:37 pm

Quote from: savewhatyouare on May 15, 2007, 12:32:11 pm
this is one the catchiest records i have ever heard...in my life.

Wow.  I can't even imagine how few records you have listened to before.  Even the people on here who love the album aren't calling it catchy.

Despite your shallow attempt to start a polemic battle of words, I respect your contrived attempt to make me start a "I LISTEN TO BETTER MUSIC THAN YOU" post. However, I do apologize, since I should have placed that statement in a better context. I meant what in relation to what I usually listen to. Ozma is not really my taste at all...so yes, I would say this is an extremely CATCHY and POPPY record. In fact, every song follows a structure or formula that is considered to be pop, and again, yes...it is very pleasing to the ears. So excuse me for deciding to start an argument based on semantics. I'll be sure to never say that statement again, unless if someone's talking about 'Pet Sounds,' cause I'm sure you consider that to the quintessential definition of catchy.

The only things I find disappointing are that the album isn't longer and it doesn't have "Kid Icarus" on it.

Too true. Its only 36 minutes. I never liked Kid Icarus or Straight Flush back when we all first heard them. Now I am having a love affair with Straight Flush and keep listening to the bootlegged versions of Kid Icarus wishing it was on the album. Oh well, we eventually got D-Song so I am not that disapointed.

I figured there would be a n00b that would make this thread sooner or later. my emotions on this album are mixed. if ozma and their producers love their new music so much why would their two singles be old ozma songs, that just doesnt make any sense its almost like they are not proud of they way that they have matured. i love d-song, i wish the vocals were a little better, and lunchbreak has REALLY grown on me, i hated it the first couple of times i heard it, now i love it. it reminds me of something yesdear would record. i do wish that there were more songs, but overall the album gets a 8.5 out of 10

I've said before that I think Eponine is a disaster.  The fact that they are playing it live really disappoints me.

Anyway, in general, I disagree with you.  The album is good, and fun, and catchy for the most part.

I really enjoy the album. Motorology is one of my favorites, it really fits the "new Ozma" sound. I liked the new No One Needs to Know a lot better, and Barriers, Incarnation Blues, and HvH are my other faves.

Quote from: Not Jason on May 15, 2007, 04:09:23 pm
I love how you capitalize the entirety of "OZMA" every time you type it.

I still haven't heard the new record.  I'm on a budget right now so I can't quite justify buying it until my next check comes in.  I've heard almost everything on it in some form or another though, and I've been relatively pleased.  Whether or not this album endures as a stand out favorite for me is something that has yet to be proven, but so far, everything I've heard from it has surpassed my expectations (save for possibly the previously released songs, which to be fair didn't exactly suck either).  I look forward to finaly hearing the whole thing.

If you'd like to hear it, the entire thing is on their myspace.

i'm mixed.  the "singles" that it advertises on a sticker on the front are two very old songs, but still goodies.  then there are a few Samuel new gems like heartache vs heartbreak and incarnation blues.  those caught me very quickly.  and i'm so glad they put underneath my tree on the album, i always liked the old live versions of it.  besides that, i'm not yet taking to the others.  granted, i've only listened to the whole thing twice so far, so that could change.  all in all, it's decent, though it seems like more of a departure from spending time on the borderline than i was expecting.  i guess a lot can happen in four years.

forget that..WHY CANT I EVEN FIND THE ALBUM at stores...bigger problem, the band cant make it big if people cant buy it at a store..Course online u could buy though, but i like to have actual cd..

Quote from: I Like Ozma on May 15, 2007, 06:00:28 pm
if ozma and their producers love their new music so much why would their two singles be old ozma songs, that just doesnt make any sense its almost like they are not proud of they way that they have matured.

This might be an attempt to get new Ozma listeners into the older albums, though I'm not sure how effective this can be.

I love the guy who called me a noob.  I forgot in the world of online forums you have to post on a message board to be a real fan.  So much for being a fan way back when RRP3 came out.  That guy also has mixed emotions about the album, and gave it an 8.5 out of 10.  I wish I had mixed emotions like that in life!  I'd be incredibly optomistic.

I think I was wrong about Underneath the Tree.  I am now making that the 4th song I like on the album.

However, I think they butchered No One Needs to Know, one of the best OZMA songs in my humble opinion, and I dislike Lunchbreak more now.  Also, Fight The Darkness, Barriers, I Wonder, and Straight Flush just aren't growing on me.  I still don't think they are good songs.

I am withholding on Motorology for now.  I'm not sure how I feel about it.

Ultimately, this just doesn't sound like an OZMA album.  It sounds like a Yes Dear album, and I really disliked Yes Dear.

Tideplaya, to start off with..

Quote from: Tideplaya on May 15, 2007, 12:36:37 pm
Wow.  I can't even imagine how few records you have listened to before.  Even the people on here who love the album aren't calling it catchy.

That was an extremely rude and provocative statement.
I love the album (though I've only heard it on Myspace), and I believe the songs are pretty catchy once they grow on you. I've had a few of them stuck in my head in the past few weeks.

I don't like the new No One Needs to Know either. I really really expect the bass break near the start to start off way slower and go on for longer, every time I hear it. But I never was that into the song, especially the lyrics, anyway. Lol @ that guy noticing one less hammer on

Quote from: Tideplaya
Where are the melodies?  The harmonies?  The hooks?  The emotion?  Hell, where is the pop?

Well this is entirely subjective (and I'm sure you know that). These characteristics are certainly still around, as far as I'm concerned. They might become apparent with time, or maybe not. I can relate a bit, when I first heard the demos nothing really stood out to me, but by now I'm really into a lot of the songs which I didn't like prima facie (Fight the Darkness, Barriers, everything else basically). I don't know what you mean by asking where the harmonies are though, I'm sure those are objectively still present.

I know where you're coming from when you say it sounds like Yes Dear album. But to me, it mixes the best elements of Yes Dear with a lot of Ozmaness. I think I probably like this album more than STOTBL in fact, a few of the songs on that just have little elements that keeps them from being awesome, and I consider Pasadena an improvement lyrically.

Quote from: Someone Great on May 15, 2007, 01:57:42 pm
I hate any carnation of Eponine.  It's my least favorite Ozma song ever.  I hated it on STOTBL.

Are you referring to the flower? Or the baby formula?

tideplaya, I GOT 'YO BACK.  i couldn't agree with you more and i too have been a diehard fan for years.  why does everyone here act like it's impossible for ozma to put out a mediocre album or a single song that's anything less than perfect.  being a true fan doesn't mean you have to blindly force yourself to believe that every single one of your favorite band's songs are Samuel and GENIUS--some of them most definitely aren't.  "fight the darkness" and "straight flush" are probably my most hated ozma songs of ALL TIME.  yes, there are some winners(hvh, incarnation, underneath) but unfortunately for me, the bad tracks on this album outweigh the good.  i don't know what any of these songs are ABOUT(where IS the emotion?) and the melodies(or lack thereof) frustrate the hell out of me.  for a powerpop band, i think ozma succeeded in making one of the most unpoppy powerpop albums i've ever heard in my life.

Quote from: ozma. not. on May 16, 2007, 12:21:49 am
tideplaya, I GOT 'YO BACK.  i couldn't agree with you more and i too have been a diehard fan for years.  why does everyone here act like it's impossible for ozma to put out a mediocre album or a single song that's anything less than perfect.  being a true fan doesn't mean you have to blindly force yourself to believe that every single one of your favorite band's songs are Samuel and GENIUS--some of them most definitely aren't.  "fight the darkness" and "straight flush" are probably my most hated ozma songs of ALL TIME.  yes, there are some winners(hvh, incarnation, underneath) but unfortunately for me, the bad tracks on this album outweigh the good.  i don't know what any of these songs are ABOUT(where IS the emotion?) and the melodies(or lack thereof) frustrate the hell out of me.  for a powerpop band, i think ozma succeeded in making one of the most unpoppy powerpop albums i've ever heard in my life.

Okay, okay, already.

I apologize on behalf of my fellow OFFers.  However, please do understand this is the expected response in a situation like this.  When I first started posting on the boards, it didn't matter how much I loved Ozma--I was getting shit for no reason.  That's just the way the internet is.  (Thanks Al Gore)

I do understand the malcontent replies in regards to topics stating "unbelievable disappointment" with Ozma.  Of course Ozma fans are going to give you--or Tideplaya, or ANYONE--shit for disliking the new Ozma album.  Especially if they DO like it.

I really get the vibe that people are saying it's bad only for the sake of saying it's bad.  Why do you feel a need to prove that point?  Like I said in my initial reply, I also was disappointed at first.  But, it's grown on me remarkably well, and I agree with Tom in saying it's one of my top album picks of this year.  Sure, it might be the most unpoppy powerpop album ever, but maybe it's not supposed to be a powerpop album.  I know people had expectations for Ozma's musical direction, and all of those expectations can obviously not be satisfied.  I was not expecting the album to be anything like this, but I've still put that behind me and fallen in love with the songs.  I can understand being so disappointed in something, that you take out that disappointment on those who enjoy it, but that doesn't mean those who enjoy it are in need of a psychological analysis.

I truly don't believe the "hardcore fans" have fallen in love with this album solely because it's Ozma.  If anything, I'm surprised that some of the people who say they like it, actually, sincerely like it.  I think people were wanting a reason to be over Ozma, but then they were blown away by this very different, but still very good record.

And of course, it all comes down to personal opinion.  You either like it, or you don't.  You either eventually will, or you eventually won't.  But I believe the shit getting thrown around now is just in defense of Ozma, and in disdain for those "new to the boards" regardless of how long they've considered themselves fans.

Tide, I do understand your points, but solely because I felt the same way at first, I urge you to keep listening to it.  "Ozma. Not." I understand your points as well, but I urge you to believe that these are NOT just fans who will love every Ozma song until their dying day "just because" it's Ozma.  I happen to like Straight Flush.  I don't really care to listen to Fight the Darkness, but I also never really cared to listen to the first half (first EP) of the DDD.  Many of the fans here might be mega-assholes, but they really are thoughtful fans of Ozma who are here for the long-haul.  They are going to say what they truly believe, and are not going to be blinded by featured MySpace ads or radio singles--OR the fact that it's Ozma.  If they say they like the songs, there's no ulterior motive or "blindness" behind it.

Suggesting that people ONLY like it 'cause it's Ozma is NOT what's going on.  Calling for fans to hate the album doesn't--and shouldn't--sit well with us.  This should be a discussion about the music, and not a personal analysis of Ozma fans.

Quote from: ozma. not. on May 16, 2007, 12:21:49 am
why does everyone here act like it's impossible for ozma to put out a mediocre album or a single song that's anything less than perfect.

First of all that sentence requires a question mark. Here ya go "?"

Second of all, who here has given even the slightest hint that they only like the album because of loyalties to the band? I sure as hell don't. I mean yeah, I'll support them till they die, but if I thought an album sucked, I'd say so yet still support them. I've yet to see anyone else on here act any differently. So who are you referring to?

Is it because most of us differ from your opinion?; that there must be some underlying cause(loyalty to Ozma)?

Quote from: FireAarro on May 15, 2007, 11:02:09 pm
Lol @ that guy noticing one less hammer on

I just love how these people registered in the last two days, and then give us shit about posting on an internet forum.

Guys, it has nothing to do with post count.  I'm sure you guys are definitely "diehard" Ozma fans.  So why say it?  Why can't you just say, "Yeah, i've been a fan for a while, but I don't really like this blahblahblah".  Christ, it's like everybody needs to PROVE their fandom.

And I'm really confused why people in GOD lately seem to think that music is objective?  ______ says ___ song is better than _____, therefore it must be true.  What is that?

Quote from: ozma. not. on May 16, 2007, 12:21:49 am
why does everyone here act like it's impossible for ozma to put out a mediocre album or a single song that's anything less than perfect.  being a true fan doesn't mean you have to blindly force yourself to believe that every single one of your favorite band's songs are Samuel and GENIUS--some of them most definitely aren't.

What I really don't get is why people post saying things like this. I genuinely like the new album. There aren't really any people on the forum who act like you've described; a lot of people were pretty disappointed hearing the album demos the first time around and about half of us took a few days to warm up to the new album in it's complete form. And Ozma have put several mediocre songs on record throughout their career.

Quote from: Tideplaya on May 15, 2007, 12:36:37 pm

Quote from: savewhatyouare on May 15, 2007, 12:32:11 pm
this is one the catchiest records i have ever heard...in my life.

Wow.  I can't even imagine how few records you have listened to before.  Even the people on here who love the album aren't calling it catchy.

it's incredibly catchy, and in my opinion their most pop album yet

I like the new album, although I have the opposite tastes of Sam. I don't like Straight Flush, but I love Fight the Darkness

SEE WHAT I DID THERE!!?


Opinions, guys. Opinions. We're not just circlejerkin' Ozma here.

Also, you have to realize that yeah a lot of us have a high post count, but that doesn't mean we're all XOZMAXCOREX. A lot of people here don't even listen to Ozma anymore, they're just here for the community. We're not going to kick you off the boards for not being the BIGGEST OSMA FAN EVARZZ, but you guys need to stop asserting that you've loved Ozma since the womb. We're not going to talk shit about you just because you only got into the band a year or two ago. The only time that kind of behavior is going to come out from older members is when somebody posts something factually inaccurate or just plain ridiculous.

You just gotta realize, you're posting on the INTERNET. Its not like we're going to come to your house and kick your ass for not being the biggest fan you can be. So chill out and enjoy the music.

Also, I wish people would stop posting things that are just incorrect, like "there are only 4 good songs on this album". A better way to phrase that would be "I only like 4 songs on this album." Objectivity, people.

With that said, it is what it is. This may be the "most un-power-poppy" album Ozma has released, but hold on a minute here. Why does that matter? Bands change. I love the new direction that Ozma has taken. I love the fact that Ryen and Daniel have different styles that give you songs like I Wonder and Lunchbreak coming from the same band (and I think they're both equally good). I Wonder is not a power pop song, but does that matter so much? Every new incarnation of Ozma will disappoint SOMEONE, especially if they're expecting Game Over or The Ups And Downs. Bands change. Ozma is probably not power-pop anymore. And I'm OK with that.

lol!  It's like my long post had babies.

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it's incredibly catchy, and in my opinion their most pop album yet

I'm sorry, but I just don't know how you can make this argument.  If you think it is poppy and catchy, fine, I disagree.  But I don't see how you can honestly call this their MOST pop album yet.

Quote from: Tim/Rodney/Zach/Andrew/Rome on May 16, 2007, 11:58:17 am
lol!  It's like my long post had babies.

Yeah, it's just like everyone's rehashing what others are saying, and in reality, this thread shouldn't have even been started. They could have easily posted in the Album Synopsis thread or something. I don't even care anymore. Just a bunch of posts regurgitating the same sentiments.

OMG i thought i was the only one feeling this way about the album. actually i already listened to it on their myspace and believe it or not, i actually felt bored listening to the way the new album sounds.
well i never actually own an album from ozma cuz i cun find it anywhere here but when i saw 'pasadena' being sold at HMV, i grabbed it without thinking twice. well my first ozma album and dammn i was dissappointed!

im not sure if its a bad mixed album that made it sound less punchy but then i realised, the band must really hit their low down. its just like how weezer looses their touch when they realease malidroit.

i mean apart from their new songs, the new version of eponin and NONTK is totally unnecessary. the guitar sounded empty. i really prefer the original ones.
and the way i see it, i simply feel that the reason why they cut eponin short is probably cuz they want it to be suitable for radio play cuz the way the songs are bein cut short, just doesn't make sense.

im not trying to criticize the band cuz this is the first time i actually felt board listening to an ozma realease.
with RRP3----> not a single boring song
DDD----------> not a single boring song
STOTBL------> totally awsome
pasadena-----> dammn....what the hell is it with 'lunchbreak'

Quote from: butterfly on May 16, 2007, 04:13:20 pm
OMG i thought i was the only one feeling this way about the album. actually i already listened to it on their myspace and believe it or not, i actually felt bored listening to the way the new album sounds.
well i never actually own an album from ozma cuz i cun find it anywhere here but when i saw 'pasadena' being sold at HMV, i grabbed it without thinking twice. well my first ozma album and dammn i was dissappointed!

im not sure if its a bad mixed album that made it sound less punchy but then i realised, the band must really hit their low down. its just like how weezer looses their touch when they realease malidroit.

i mean apart from their new songs, the new version of eponin and NONTK is totally unnecessary. the guitar sounded empty. i really prefer the original ones.
and the way i see it, i simply feel that the reason why they cut eponin short is probably cuz they want it to be suitable for radio play cuz the way the songs are bein cut short, just doesn't make sense.

im not trying to criticize the band cuz this is the first time i actually felt board listening to an ozma realease.
with RRP3----> not a single boring song
DDD----------> not a single boring song
STOTBL------> totally awsome
pasadena-----> dammn....what the hell is it with 'lunchbreak'

I'd like to think this post is trying to ironically make fun of people who are bashing the new album.  I'd really like to...

I don't know how many times it needs to be said. The band only agreed to re-hash no one...and eponine for the label.
They made them more radio friendly.
It's not that OZMA was like...lets take out all these parts to fuck with our fans.

Quote from: Jeff42 on May 16, 2007, 04:18:31 pm

Quote from: butterfly on May 16, 2007, 04:13:20 pm
OMG i thought i was the only one feeling this way about the album. actually i already listened to it on their myspace and believe it or not, i actually felt bored listening to the way the new album sounds.
well i never actually own an album from ozma cuz i cun find it anywhere here but when i saw 'pasadena' being sold at HMV, i grabbed it without thinking twice. well my first ozma album and dammn i was dissappointed!

im not sure if its a bad mixed album that made it sound less punchy but then i realised, the band must really hit their low down. its just like how weezer looses their touch when they realease malidroit.

i mean apart from their new songs, the new version of eponin and NONTK is totally unnecessary. the guitar sounded empty. i really prefer the original ones.
and the way i see it, i simply feel that the reason why they cut eponin short is probably cuz they want it to be suitable for radio play cuz the way the songs are bein cut short, just doesn't make sense.

im not trying to criticize the band cuz this is the first time i actually felt board listening to an ozma realease.
with RRP3----> not a single boring song
DDD----------> not a single boring song
STOTBL------> totally awsome
pasadena-----> dammn....what the hell is it with 'lunchbreak'

I'd like to think this post is trying to ironically make fun of people who are bashing the new album.  I'd really like to...

i'm hoping there's some sort of language barrier or severe learning disability at play...

it sounds to me like ozma needs new fans. a 10,000 kid fanbase doesn't come close to making a living for a 5 person band. of course they want you guys to like the record, but when you look at the bigger picture.... what matters is they get a really big song on the radio and can get paid. being able to afford an apartment would be nice.

sounds to me like ozma needs to write more songs. and yes they do need more fans. i just dont get why if they were going to re record two songs they just couldnt put two new songs to replace them too.

i don't know how many times i have to say this... the managers wanted those songs on the record. they were convinced those were the singles. that's it. no one else was into it, but they went along with it. i 100% wanted those other songs on the record. it's unfortunate, but there is much more to making records than just music. you have to play politics as well.

i understand that the MANAGERS wanted them to have those as the singles but why did it only have to be an 11 song album with only 9 new songs? it just doesnt make sense.

Quote from: I Like Ozma on May 16, 2007, 05:28:40 pm
i understand that the MANAGERS wanted them to have those as the singles but why did it only have to be an 11 song album with only 9 new songs? it just doesnt make sense.

$$$

Quote from: hipsun on May 16, 2007, 05:35:10 pm

Quote from: I Like Ozma on May 16, 2007, 05:28:40 pm
i understand that the MANAGERS wanted them to have those as the singles but why did it only have to be an 11 song album with only 9 new songs? it just doesnt make sense.

$$$

First of all, I don't get the general bitchiness of this whole thread. Why are you here if you hate the album. K bye.

Secondly, if you're U2, then yes, you can choose what songs you want, and how long each song is, and do a quadruple disc album.
But lets be honest, they haven't had national radio success yet, that's what they're trying to achieve.

People here are acting like everyone didn't hate on STOTBL when it came out.


Every time the band does something a bit different, people freak out for a bit.  Calm yourself.


If you don't like it, that's fine.  You don't have to like it.  Just remember that it is just your opinion.

Quote from: heysarahsarah on May 16, 2007, 06:11:31 pm
People here are acting like everyone didn't hate on STOTBL when it came out.


Every time the band does something a bit different, people freak out for a bit.  Calm yourself.


If you don't like it, that's fine.  You don't have to like it.  Just remember that it is just your opinion.

+1

I love this album. I just hope the other songs such as "uptown" will evnetually be released as a single or something. But  if they dont oh well, they made another good album, thats good enough.

"it sounds to me like ozma needs new fans. a 10,000 kid fanbase doesn't come close to making a living for a 5 person band. of course they want you guys to like the record, but when you look at the bigger picture.... what matters is they get a really big song on the radio and can get paid. being able to afford an apartment would be nice."

This is so very true.  I know how hard it is to make any kind of profit off of music, and these guys have been around for too long, and have too much talent to not be able to at least make a living off of it.  I've found it somewhat shocking that they have so relatively few friends on myspace, for example.  I've researched a lot of bands, and if I would have made a prediction, I would have thought they'd have way more than 29,000 or so.  It also saddened me to find out that when the band was broken up they had to get day jobs.  I know some people like to stay busy, I don't know how much that played into it, but it sucks to think they HAD to do that.

It kind of seems to me like in the past they were sort of okay with their niche, never really striving to be really popular.  If that has changed now, which it somewhat seems to have done, I'm all for that.  They have always deserved more than what they've gotten, I hope they finally attain the level they're capable of.

The funny thing about this whole thread was that I really just wanted to know if other people that love OZMA as much as I do felt the same way.  It's not like I hate the band for putting out an album I dislike, I was just so very disappointed.  I was really just looking to see if I wasn't alone in how I felt.

That's why I gave the thread that title.

(Also, I loved STOTBL, even if the production wasn't great, the songs were.)

Quote from: hipsun on May 16, 2007, 05:02:17 pm
it sounds to me like ozma needs new fans. a 10,000 kid fanbase doesn't come close to making a living for a 5 person band. of course they want you guys to like the record, but when you look at the bigger picture.... what matters is they get a really big song on the radio and can get paid. being able to afford an apartment would be nice.

At the risk of getting too personal, isn't that why they got back together? 

...im just saying, why bother re-recording 2 songs when they already sounded great. they should have been better off re-recording 'lorraine' and 'rain of the golden gorrila' those are great songs but sadly, its never really oficially landed in an album

Quote from: butterfly on May 16, 2007, 09:04:19 pm
...im just saying, why bother re-recording 2 songs when they already sounded great. they should have been better off re-recording 'lorraine' and 'rain of the golden gorrila' those are great songs but sadly, its never really oficially landed in an album

aren't you happier that the singles are those two songs and not two mindless pop songs they wrote for the radio?

if i want to play ozma for someone who doesn't know them, those two songs are what i would go for first.

Quote from: butterfly on May 16, 2007, 09:04:19 pm
...im just saying, why bother re-recording 2 songs when they already sounded great. they should have been better off re-recording 'lorraine' and 'rain of the golden gorrila' those are great songs but sadly, its never really oficially landed in an album

They were both on Trucks & Cars actually. Denise denise denise! :P (just kidding, that probably wouldn't fit in...)

Butterfly, I disagree with you saying the album sounds less punchy than their others (namely STOTBL).

Quote from: hipsun on May 16, 2007, 05:02:17 pm
it sounds to me like ozma needs new fans. a 10,000 kid fanbase doesn't come close to making a living for a 5 person band. of course they want you guys to like the record, but when you look at the bigger picture.... what matters is they get a really big song on the radio and can get paid. being able to afford an apartment would be nice.

Hmm, I think my interest in music as a career is going to lead me to an untimely death

Quote from: S P A M U E L on May 16, 2007, 05:00:26 pm

Quote from: Jeff42 on May 16, 2007, 04:18:31 pm

Quote from: butterfly on May 16, 2007, 04:13:20 pm
OMG i thought i was the only one feeling this way about the album. actually i already listened to it on their myspace and believe it or not, i actually felt bored listening to the way the new album sounds.
well i never actually own an album from ozma cuz i cun find it anywhere here but when i saw 'pasadena' being sold at HMV, i grabbed it without thinking twice. well my first ozma album and dammn i was dissappointed!

im not sure if its a bad mixed album that made it sound less punchy but then i realised, the band must really hit their low down. its just like how weezer looses their touch when they realease malidroit.

i mean apart from their new songs, the new version of eponin and NONTK is totally unnecessary. the guitar sounded empty. i really prefer the original ones.
and the way i see it, i simply feel that the reason why they cut eponin short is probably cuz they want it to be suitable for radio play cuz the way the songs are bein cut short, just doesn't make sense.

im not trying to criticize the band cuz this is the first time i actually felt board listening to an ozma realease.
with RRP3----> not a single boring song
DDD----------> not a single boring song
STOTBL------> totally awsome
pasadena-----> dammn....what the hell is it with 'lunchbreak'

I'd like to think this post is trying to ironically make fun of people who are bashing the new album.  I'd really like to...

i'm hoping there's some sort of language barrier or severe learning disability at play...

Seriously, ha.

I keep thinking somebody made a handful of accounts and is posting with those.

I think one nice thing is that we probably won't have to wait another 4 (correct me if I'm mistaken) years until the next album comes out.  It seems like they're back on a roll again.

I think it might be a good sign that they didn't put so many of their new songs on the album.  I mean, at least we know they aren't at a loss for good material.

If they'd put Uptown, Kid Icarus & others that they've been toying with for that past year on Pasadena, I'm sure we'd have a bunch of fans complaining that we didn't get any brand new, surprising material.

And I happen to really like Lunchbreak now.  I'm surprised it's so hated.

Yeah, but their next record is going to have the following tracklist:

1. You Know The Story (with all drumming taken out, and replaced by cowbell, at the producers request, shortened to 2:30)
2. Kid Icarus
3. Baseball (with Vin Scully doing play by play on the breakdown)
4. Uptown
5. C-Song
6. Good Cats (the sequel to Bad Dogs)
7. Eponine (this time making it even shorter, it will clock in at 1:35)
8. Hash Pipe


...all in jest, save the hatred for Tideplaya.

Has anyone else had a hard time finding this at a store near them? I live in the 954 and could not find this ANYWHERE near me. I went to Best Buy, found STOTBL but no Pasadena. Went to Circuit City across the street from Best Buy, no Ozma period. Go inside freakin Sawgrass Mall to FYE and like before find STOTBL but no EFFin Pasadena. Last resort... go to Target and still... no Pasadena no Ozma period.

I've heard the album from the MySpace page. I know what you've all been saying and with the fighting and blah blah blah. I personally think the album isn't terrible or bad... but yet this isn't the greatest either. New No One Needs to Know sounds pretty good contrary to what I originally thought it would sound like. New Eponine isn't terrible, it's good, but of course the original sounds way better. Over all the album has some good songs and some bad songs. I was a little disappointed in the same way when I first listened to Make Believe by Weezer when it first came out in that it wasn't what I expected, could have been better, but still a good album so to speak. And whoever said Maladroit was bad you obviously have no clue what you're talking about that album probably ranks 3rd for Weezer albums (Pinkerton, Blue, Maladroit, Green, Make Believe). I've gone off topic that's all I'm gonna say but back to point, Pasadena isn't a bad album, whish I could find it locally damn it, it one of those albums that eventually grow on you it seems.

Wow. Just wow.
Maladroit sucks dude..."cheese tastes so good on a burnt piece of lamb"

while its easy to agree on their 1 and 2 albums all time. I wholly disagree with maladroit being third.
Make Believe is so much better than Maladroit.

I still haven't found Pasadena either. No luck in 7 different stores (local record store, target, best buy, other best buy, circuit city, FYE, waldenbooks)

maladroit is a piece of shit. and who hates lunchbreak? this song is extremely enjoyable.

Quote from: I Like Ozma on May 16, 2007, 05:21:18 pm
sounds to me like ozma needs to write more songs. and yes they do need more fans. i just dont get why if they were going to re record two songs they just couldnt put two new songs to replace them too.

Like hipsun said, $$$. Recording requires a budget. A contract with a record company requires some compliance. There isn't much point in complaining about it.

Guys, here's another cool thing...the more albums that sell, and/or more radio play they get, the more say they might have in future recordings, hell, maybe they could have a bigger budget on it too :o


Also, if you are having trouble finding the album, don't hesitate to order it from amazon or other online locations.  It'll ship directly to you, and will cost about the same.  Better yet, if Ozma is playing near you soon, pick up the record directly from the band.  They make more money that way, and you get it in your hot little hands.  I'm stoked to get my copy tomorrow when I see them in SF :)

the album is really different stylistically for them.  it retains some old school ozma, but it's done in a new package.  i was a bit thrown off at first, but i'm into it now, altho i don't know if i would say it's their best album (stotbl still may get that title) but i need an album for at least a few months before i make a final decision. however, one thing i really am disappointed in is the lack of sweet Ryen solo's.  i'm suprised no one brought this up before, one of hte reasons i love ozma is becaue ryen is a SICK guitar player and is not afraid to have wailing solos.  i feel in modern music the guitar solo has been diminished and ozma is one of the few bands to have wild guitar solos, while still keeping them tasteful and adding to the music.  unfortunately on pasadena i feel there is a HUGE lack of solos save hvh which is Samuel, yet short. it is why i love stotbl, they are all over hte place and so Samuel, but i feel on this album everything is drowned into one sound and you can barely distinguish the guitars let alone have solos.  that being said, i still think its a good album but feels more of a "comeback" trying ot please old fans while gaining new ones than an experiment of their musicianship as i feel all their previous ones were.  basically i think this is their "we want to be rock stars album" which isnt a bad thing, but i feel they sacrificied some of there better qualities in the process.

Quote from: weezer420 on May 17, 2007, 09:40:24 am
Has anyone else had a hard time finding this at a store near them? I live in the 954 and could not find this ANYWHERE near me. I went to Best Buy, found STOTBL but no Pasadena. Went to Circuit City across the street from Best Buy, no Ozma period. Go inside freakin Sawgrass Mall to FYE and like before find STOTBL but no EFFin Pasadena. Last resort... go to Target and still... no Pasadena no Ozma period.

There are people who still use the term "Effing"/"Eff"??? I stopped doing that in early grade 11, and I was one of the last people to use it...Or so I had thought.

Quote from: dflat on May 17, 2007, 01:18:20 pm
the album is really different stylistically for them.  it retains some old school ozma, but it's done in a new package.  i was a bit thrown off at first, but i'm into it now, altho i don't know if i would say it's their best album (stotbl still may get that title) but i need an album for at least a few months before i make a final decision. however, one thing i really am disappointed in is the lack of sweet Ryen solo's.  i'm suprised no one brought this up before, one of hte reasons i love ozma is becaue ryen is a SICK guitar player and is not afraid to have wailing solos.  i feel in modern music the guitar solo has been diminished and ozma is one of the few bands to have wild guitar solos, while still keeping them tasteful and adding to the music.  unfortunately on pasadena i feel there is a HUGE lack of solos save hvh which is Samuel, yet short. it is why i love stotbl, they are all over hte place and so Samuel, but i feel on this album everything is drowned into one sound and you can barely distinguish the guitars let alone have solos.  that being said, i still think its a good album but feels more of a "comeback" trying ot please old fans while gaining new ones than an experiment of their musicianship as i feel all their previous ones were.  basically i think this is their "we want to be rock stars album" which isnt a bad thing, but i feel they sacrificied some of there better qualities in the process.

If they are going for radio, they are not going to have said solos.

And why is this thread still even going on? Tom was right, if you don'y like it you can leave. You can have your opinions, and you can hate this album more than any other album on this planet, but don't come to the fan forum to bitch. Come here to contribute to the conversation. Obviously the general consensus of the album on these boards is pretty positive, so coming here to complain is instantly going to cause contraversy. You guys have to learn to pick your battles. You'd think after seeing one or two new boardies start trouble dissing the album, the rest would learn. Instead we have new boardies signing up each day and instantly coming to this thread.

So can we just put this thread to rest? We finally have a new album to discuss, and the most active thread is this negative garbage (which seems to just keep repeating; we're saying the same things over and over).

I'm actualy not too fond of it either. I was initialy very unimpressed with the few tracks they would put on myspace occasionaly. But I'm ignoring that now and critiquing the album as it will be released.

The two rereleases are irritating. I understand why they did it though. However, I really just can't get over Eponie. It was on the last CD. I feel there really should have been away around that.

Most of the songs feel a bit sub par to me. All of them I think have some really good parts in them, but to me they are just good parts in mediocre songs. Instead of good parts in good songs.
I also really dislike the production values of this album. This is more of a personal issue... but I don't like how super clean and produced everything sounds. It sounds like a band making music that they can never represent live. There area few added things here, extra layers that they won't do live. That actualy doesn't bug me too much. But the way the instruments were recorded and mixed, as well as all the enhancing efects, it takes away from the energy of the music. And it won't sound the same live.
I actualy saw Ozma live once, except for Star everybody really knows what they are doing. The show wasn't a great show, and I'm sure it was a fluke. The house wasn't good with instrument levels that night, they usualy are. Ozma didn't seem to notice, whatever, they still played pretty good. This album though, will be impossible to capture live.
Pretty much all my problems with this CD I think stem from Ozma's want of fame. I sympathize with them I guess, but it isn't a trade off I would make for my band.

When STOTB came out I was pretty excited. There was a lot of different sounds on that album. I really felt like the band was exploring a lot of different things. I actualy think they split up because of different ideals that surfaced with this album. But I liked it. When I heard that Ozma was reunited I was excited as well. I thought that all the growth and exploration heard of the previous CD would blossom into something new and good. But I really feel like they haven't grown much sense then.

Thats my opinion. I think they are very capable, but I think they are choosing popularity over music.

I don't think its a "want" of fame, more so an attempt at breaking into a mainstream radio.
They were asked to re-do TWO songs, and everyone is freaking out.
Can't we just drop it and listen to STOTBL or DDD if we really hate the new versions that much?
Christ. Make a copy of Pasadena with the 2 old versions on whatever cd-burning software that you have.

I'm actualy not trying to make a big deal about that at all.
Like I said, I understand and I sympathize with them, but I would have voted "no" in my own band.
Or I guess I said that in another thread. Anyway it still stands here.

Also, I forgot to mention.
To be fair I've only heard the songs from myspace. You lose some quality throught the myspace compression and you can hear it sometimes, and my computer speakers also aren't the best.

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And why is this thread still even going on? Tom was right, if you don'y like it you can leave. You can have your opinions, and you can hate this album more than any other album on this planet, but don't come to the fan forum to bitch. Come here to contribute to the conversation. Obviously the general consensus of the album on these boards is pretty positive, so coming here to complain is instantly going to cause contraversy. You guys have to learn to pick your battles. You'd think after seeing one or two new boardies start trouble dissing the album, the rest would learn. Instead we have new boardies signing up each day and instantly coming to this thread.

So can we just put this thread to rest? We finally have a new album to discuss, and the most active thread is this negative garbage (which seems to just keep repeating; we're saying the same things over and over).

The shortsightedness of this comment is humorous.

So, apparently, the fan forum is only for positive comments.  I thought it was for fans to discuss the band.  I am as big an OZMA fan as I know, but because my opinion of the album isn't great, my comments or thoughts aren't appropriate or appreciated?

I forgot that there was a gun put to your head to make you keep reading it and responding.

Oh..........oh wait.  If you hate this thread, simple, don't click its link.

I've actually enjoyed the intelligent responses and differing opinions in this thread.

If nothing else, we should all be able to agree that Maladroit is the worst album of all time.

how does Star not know what she's doing? she plays her instruments with skill.

i can't believe how wrong this person is. this album has the best production of any of their albums, with the MOST energy. one of my biggest complaints of past Ozma albums is how anemic they sounded compared to them live. not with this album. even Straight Flush is full of energy, and that's a slow song.

Quote from: Tideplaya on May 17, 2007, 03:57:35 pm

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And why is this thread still even going on? Tom was right, if you don'y like it you can leave. You can have your opinions, and you can hate this album more than any other album on this planet, but don't come to the fan forum to bitch. Come here to contribute to the conversation. Obviously the general consensus of the album on these boards is pretty positive, so coming here to complain is instantly going to cause contraversy. You guys have to learn to pick your battles. You'd think after seeing one or two new boardies start trouble dissing the album, the rest would learn. Instead we have new boardies signing up each day and instantly coming to this thread.

So can we just put this thread to rest? We finally have a new album to discuss, and the most active thread is this negative garbage (which seems to just keep repeating; we're saying the same things over and over).

The shortsightedness of this comment is humorous.

So, apparently, the fan forum is only for positive comments.  I thought it was for fans to discuss the band.  I am as big an OZMA fan as I know, but because my opinion of the album isn't great, my comments or thoughts aren't appropriate or appreciated?

I forgot that there was a gun put to your head to make you keep reading it and responding.

Oh..........oh wait.  If you hate this thread, simple, don't click its link.

I've actually enjoyed the intelligent responses and differing opinions in this thread.

If nothing else, we should all be able to agree that Maladroit is the worst album of all time.

what pisses me off about detractors is that besides voicing their dislike of the album (which is perfectly ok), they start 1) trying to convince everyone to dislike the album as much as them, to the point of making and/or posting on multiple threads about it and 2) insult those who like the album with comments such as "you would love (insert name of band here) if they came out with a CD full of fart sounds" and other more insulting crap. i expect to see the detractors keeping on posting on multiple threads about the album and how much "it sucks". give us a break. you don't like it and we do. this isn't maladroit, which most fans would be hard-pressed to defend. pasadena is a quality album that just does not appeal to everyone.

Quote from: cesarsalad on May 17, 2007, 04:00:01 pm
how does Star not know what she's doing? she plays her instruments with skill.

i can't believe how wrong this person is. this album has the best production of any of their albums, with the MOST energy. one of my biggest complaints of past Ozma albums is how anemic they sounded compared to them live. not with this album. even Straight Flush is full of energy, and that's a slow song.

Well everybody likes different production values.

But Star... well she plays cleanly and doesn't often hit the wrong note, but she isn't very skilled. There really isn't anyway around that. If you are a musican, then to defend her level of skill is to be biased. She could very easily be replaced in studio by any member of the band, and actualy any member of most bands.
I was very dissapointed with her when seeing them live. There is a part in some song where they keyboard plays a somewhat cool arrpegio. Its not something hard to play, but a beginer would want to play it with two hands instead of one hand. Star, instead of playing it, has allready programed her keyboard to play it for her. She presses a new note the change the root note of the arrpegio when it changes, but she doesn't actualy play the part. It was one of few cool things that I actualy thought she played. Her stuff allways *sounds* good though. But then again she doesn't write it.

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what pisses me off about detractors is that besides voicing their dislike of the album (which is perfectly ok), they start 1) trying to convince everyone to dislike the album as much as them, to the point of making and/or posting on multiple threads about it and 2) insult those who like the album with comments such as "you would love (insert name of band here) if they came out with a CD full of fart sounds" and other more insulting crap. i expect to see the detractors keeping on posting on multiple threads about the album and how much "it sucks". give us a break. you don't like it and we do. this isn't maladroit, which most fans would be hard-pressed to defend. pasadena is a quality album that just does not appeal to everyone.

Glad I haven't done any of those things.  I think you could have made your reply a lot shorter and said, "You're right.  It was a little silly of me to say that."

Don't worry, I managed to translate it.

Oh, and for the record, I'm glad people like the album.  I just wish I did too.

Quote from: varnon on May 17, 2007, 04:22:23 pm

Quote from: cesarsalad on May 17, 2007, 04:00:01 pm
how does Star not know what she's doing? she plays her instruments with skill.

i can't believe how wrong this person is. this album has the best production of any of their albums, with the MOST energy. one of my biggest complaints of past Ozma albums is how anemic they sounded compared to them live. not with this album. even Straight Flush is full of energy, and that's a slow song.

Well everybody likes different production values.

But Star... well she plays cleanly and doesn't often hit the wrong note, but she isn't very skilled. There really isn't anyway around that. If you are a musican, then to defend her level of skill is to be biased. She could very easily be replaced in studio by any member of the band, and actualy any member of most bands.
I was very dissapointed with her when seeing them live. There is a part in some song where they keyboard plays a somewhat cool arrpegio. Its not something hard to play, but a beginer would want to play it with two hands instead of one hand. Star, instead of playing it, has allready programed her keyboard to play it for her. She presses a new note the change the root note of the arrpegio when it changes, but she doesn't actualy play the part. It was one of few cool things that I actualy thought she played. Her stuff allways *sounds* good though. But then again she doesn't write it.

hi this is star. actually i AM playing every note of the chords, which are arpeggiated at about 150 bpm. i use the roland juno d beam's tap tempo feature, specifically designed for speedy arpeggiation & tempo matching.  id like to see you play it that fast, with one hand.....you'd need six fingers to spread the span of 2 octaves.

if you could take a video of it and post it that would be great.

BTW i "ACTUALY" wouldn't consider myself a "MUSICAN" but more of a MUSICIAN, and definitely not a "BEGINER."

You go Star!  ;D

YES  ;D

*regarding Star's post

You've been Wicked!

Ha!
Forgive the typos, I'm a bit sleep deprived.
Nice try though, but you don't even know what song/parts I'm talking about.

star is my hero

Quote from: varnon on May 17, 2007, 05:13:42 pm
Ha!
Forgive the typos, I'm a bit sleep deprived.
Nice try though, but you don't even know what song/parts I'm talking about.

Yeah, you showed her...

Quote from: varnon on May 17, 2007, 05:13:42 pm
Ha!
Forgive the typos, I'm a bit sleep deprived.
Nice try though, but you don't even know what song/parts I'm talking about.

Yeah, nice try. We all know that Star doesn't even have an account here! :supereyesroll: That's why I think it was really nice that Ryen let her use his account.

So that actualy is Star?
Huh.
Well my apologies then. Somehow that night you did manage to fool my friends and I into thinking you played as I described.
I'm actualy glad that you don't play that way because it was pretty dissapointing to think that you did.

Quote from: varnon on May 17, 2007, 05:13:42 pm
Ha!
Forgive the typos, I'm a bit sleep deprived.
Nice try though, but you don't even know what song/parts I'm talking about.

tell us? please tell us.

even then, it doesn't matter. every member of ozma is valuable because they're what makes the band. with "pasadena," they've all made their contributions known. especially Star (because, you know, she steps up to sing on several of tunes. there's also way more synth).

you not liking it (star's voice. as you've said in another thread) is your own business. not that you're not allowed to voice your opinion... just don't be surprised or butthurt if someone calls you a dick for being rude to a member of their beloved band.

edit: forget the last part.

HEY STAR IF YOU'RE STILL AROUND I WANT TO BUY SOME CLOTHES!

that was a wick-ed burn.














( :omg: :lol: :hump: :emo:)

Am I the only one who wants to strangle anyone who thinks STOTBL and RRP3 are similar sounding? To me, Pasedena makes perfect sense with the progression of Ozma's sound.
Also, who likes eponine and dislike bad dogs? In that combination? I don't like either.

Finally,
I am pleasantly surprised with Pasedena.

Quote from: varnon on May 17, 2007, 05:37:38 pm
So that actualy is Star?
Huh.
Well my apologies then. Somehow that night you did manage to fool my friends and I into thinking you played as I described.
I'm actualy glad that you don't play that way because it was pretty dissapointing to think that you did.

So, let me get this straight... you're having a go at Star because YOU were wrong about her?

No offence, but you're making it difficult for anyone to pay heed to your stupid opinions when you implicity blame someone else for your mistakes.

Just had my first listen.  Pretty good stuff for the most part.  Incarnation Blues makes me happy.

Quote from: varnon on May 17, 2007, 05:37:38 pm
So that actualy is Star?
Huh.
Well my apologies then. Somehow that night you did manage to fool my friends and I into thinking you played as I described.
I'm actualy glad that you don't play that way because it was pretty dissapointing to think that you did.

And why would it matter?

People have been using programmed synth and auto-apregiators for decades.  The fact that you weren't able to spot an obvious arpegiator in action raises serious doubts in my mind about your credibility to even be discussing this.  If you listen to very much synth driven music, odds are, I could point out a handful of similar examples from "skilled" keyboardists.  It's a common practice and entirely acceptable in my opinion.  Also, using tempo sensitive things like that in a live setting is always risky.  I think she deserves credit for not fucking it up, because I frequently fuck up trying to tap start my drum machine.

First of all, Varnon, learn to spell please.

Anyway, so what if the synth is pre-programmed and there is a tempo assistance on it?  Star still is EVERY BIT capable of rocking the keyboards... as she said, post a video of yourself doing some of the stuff that you described and then try to call her out as being a fake... at least you apologized in some form, but still... jeez.

P.S. -- Star can sing really well.  At Rhino, she walked outside and you could hear her outside the door singing.  Really beautiful voice.

Sincerely,
R.C.

Incidentally, since a popular argument in discussing the album seems to be "If you don't agree with my opinion, you don't listen to enough music/know enough about music", then I'm going to come right out and say that anyone who doesn't like Motorology deserves to have their ears cut off.

Seb, you bring out a perfect point.

Seriously, when did OzmaFans get so politicized?

People are people and as people, they like different things... if someone doesn't like Pasadena, it doesn't mean that they don't listen to enough music or good music, it just means they didn't like it.

Needless to say, I love it.  But you don't see me telling people to cut their ears off or jump off a cliff because they don't like the album.

Seriously, people, respect other people's opinions and they'll respect you.

Sincerely,
R.C.

Can we all agree that calling people out for spelling on the internet is lame?  Okay, good.

Maybe Samuel created Star?  Another grammar police?

Quote from: funwithsponges on May 18, 2007, 05:53:49 am
Can we all agree that calling people out for spelling on the internet is lame?  Okay, good.

Maybe Samuel created Star?  Another grammar police?

A typo here or there is not something to be jumped all over for, but if your posts are full of spelling and grammar mistakes you're not going to look intelligent and there's nothing wrong with holding people to a higher standard than that.

Quote from: funwithsponges on May 18, 2007, 05:53:49 am
Can we all agree that calling people out for spelling on the internet is lame?  Okay, good.

Maybe Samuel created Star?  Another grammar police?

Haha! I was about to post something like "Oh no! We've got another Samuel on our hands!"

Look how many posts there is in this thread after Star posted.

I wish all the music experts would disappear.

Quote from: Seb on May 17, 2007, 11:47:37 pm

Quote from: varnon on May 17, 2007, 05:37:38 pm
So that actualy is Star?
Huh.
Well my apologies then. Somehow that night you did manage to fool my friends and I into thinking you played as I described.
I'm actualy glad that you don't play that way because it was pretty dissapointing to think that you did.

So, let me get this straight... you're having a go at Star because YOU were wrong about her?

No offence, but you're making it difficult for anyone to pay heed to your stupid opinions when you implicity blame someone else for your mistakes.

Well, if you reread the quoted post you will notice that that was an apology.
I *could* keep arguing that I saw what I discribed, but there isn't any sense arguing with another person about what they did. Thus the apology.

NotJason-
I guess that kind of thing doesn't really need to matter, but it does to me. The vast majority of keyboard players I've seen don't actualy play the keyboard, they just program and start it. I just feel like if the music is ment to be performed then it should be performed. Starting a keyboard program and leaving it running throughout a whole song is not the same as actualy playing music. Its also not the same as playing and looping and building up things that are otherwise unpreformable that way.
I'm also a keyboard player, and I am often dissapointed when I hear something cool, and then see that the band doesn't actualy play it. And then its also irritating when the keyboard player who doesn't play anything is cooler than me.
I know, people should be able to make use of current technology. But its like a musical lie to me, if that makes any sense.

What you're describing isn't exactly right though.  An arpegiator isn't just pushing a button and letting it go.  The way arpegiators usually work is you set the tempo (as star said, with a tap start) and then you press down all the keys that you want to be arpegiated.  The benefit of this is that you can use it to create things you wouldn't otherwise be able to, like arpegios spanning several octaves at high rates of speed, or even arbitrarily ordered note selection and things like that.  However, the tempo does need to be said and the full chord needs to be manually selected in real time.  It's not like casio chord, it's a bit more advanced.

It may also shock you to know that the drum part at the intro to "Natalie Portman" is a drum loop from an old casio.  That's probably cheating to.

Sorry Tom, as long as people are speaking inaccurately, I feel obliged to respond.

i dont think jose can play the flute like star can.

Man, I totally forgot she even played that. I may not like her as a keyboard player but I can't say anything bad about her flute skills because I don't know anything about flute.
I really wish they would use that a few more times. One of the songs from DDD had the flute in it, and I really like that song, sadly they didn't play it when I saw them live.

Quote from: varnon on May 17, 2007, 02:42:17 pm
I also really dislike the production values of this album. This is more of a personal issue... but I don't like how super clean and produced everything sounds. It sounds like a band making music that they can never represent live. There area few added things here, extra layers that they won't do live. That actualy doesn't bug me too much. But the way the instruments were recorded and mixed, as well as all the enhancing efects, it takes away from the energy of the music. And it won't sound the same live.
I actualy saw Ozma live once, except for Star everybody really knows what they are doing. The show wasn't a great show, and I'm sure it was a fluke. The house wasn't good with instrument levels that night, they usualy are. Ozma didn't seem to notice, whatever, they still played pretty good. This album though, will be impossible to capture live.
Pretty much all my problems with this CD I think stem from Ozma's want of fame. I sympathize with them I guess, but it isn't a trade off I would make for my band.

I can see why someone would not like recorded music that is not reproducible live, but I think there are pretty good arguments against that sort of thinking as well, though it's all personal preference in the end.
Recorded music and live music are different mediums, and an artist might as well exploit the advantages of both. If you can add a few cool things to your studio recording to make it more interesting, why not? As long as you're able to put on a good live show it shouldn't matter. I don't know how Ozma is with that, I've never seen them and probably never will (Australia), but I reckon their bootlegs sound pretty good. A prime example is Deerhoof. Their studio albums have a TON of shit that can't be exactly reproduced live. Countless synth, drum machine and guitar layers. Their live setup is guitar, bass and two-piece drumkit with one cymbal. But their live performances, and most people who've seen them will agree, are bat fuck insane. And I contend that most albums around have musical devices that aren't reproducible live.
I actually think a lot of the sounds on the new album are pretty raw and edgy (compared to STOTBL especially), but that's only judging from myspace and HvH.

Well thanks for clarifying the synth jargon. I don't play or have one. I actualy found the part I'm talking about. It might actualy not be as easy to play as I thought, but its hard to hear exactly what it does. It doesn't sound like it takes a Liszt to actualy play it though.
The song is Spending Time, and somebody actualy recorded the show I was at (I didn't even notice!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYLsSHz18Rs
Heres a link.
So everybody knows my extreme stance on performing only what you can perform. Okay, we got that, its extreme and not for everybody I know. But it was like the coolest keyboard part in the song, and I look over there and she is just holding down some keys and adjusting a knob. To me at least, thats not a cool thing to do. The machine is doing to work, not the person. I guess it doesn't actually make her a bad musician, I guess she can play all sorts of cool stuff outside of the band and I never know, but it was pretty dissapointing for me. I'm sure everybody does that crap, and almost every synth player I see only does that crap, but I thought Star actualy played that part. My bad.

The keyboard is a bastardized version of the piano and isn't a real instrument! You're not a real musician unless you're playing a piano!


Just using your logic from a different angle...

(and being difficult in general, which is always fun)

it just seems like such an arbitrary, stupid thing to take offense to.

Quote from: Kyosho on May 18, 2007, 07:32:04 pm
The keytar is a bastardized version of the piano and isn't a real instrument! You're not a real musician unless you're playing a piano!

Fixed!
But your reaganrgment of my logic is pretty close to what I actualy believe.

The thing is... how hard is it to make a note on a keyboard? Just press a button.
Lets compare that to a guitar. Well on guitar you can pluck an open note, or fret and pluck. Its a bit more difficult. Also, the crappier the guitar, the harder to fret. I know, I have a crappy guitar.
Other stringed instruments don't even have frets to guide you.
Woodwinds... I don't really know, used to played a clarinet in band for like a week. You have to blow into it, and cover up certian holes to even get a note, then change hole combinations to get different notes. Also, if you blow too hard it squeaks, so you have to blow right.
I think trumpet requires a certian way of holding your mouth, in addition to blowing at certian strengths and changing the fingering on the valves. It only has 3 valves, I'm actualy not really sure how you get so many pitches out of it.
I could keep going on forever, well... I'd probably have to stop at theramin.

So I really feel that anybody playing a keyboard interface should be able to play a bit more complex things compared to someone playing another instrument that has been playing as long. Keyboard is friggen EASY to start playing. Its only hard if you want to play two things at once, or if you want to do octave jumps and stuff like that. A simple melody on a keyboard interface is much much easier to play than on any other instrument.

varnon,

Are you saying that piano also has a short learning curve just because you only have to hit a key to make a sound?

Man that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

It has a short learning curve for easy stuff.
But its more difficult to master because both hands can make independent music.

Quote from: varnon on May 18, 2007, 06:34:44 pm
Well thanks for clarifying the synth jargon. I don't play or have one. I actualy found the part I'm talking about. It might actualy not be as easy to play as I thought, but its hard to hear exactly what it does. It doesn't sound like it takes a Liszt to actualy play it though.
The song is Spending Time, and somebody actualy recorded the show I was at (I didn't even notice!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYLsSHz18Rs
Heres a link.
So everybody knows my extreme stance on performing only what you can perform. Okay, we got that, its extreme and not for everybody I know. But it was like the coolest keyboard part in the song, and I look over there and she is just holding down some keys and adjusting a knob. To me at least, thats not a cool thing to do. The machine is doing to work, not the person. I guess it doesn't actually make her a bad musician, I guess she can play all sorts of cool stuff outside of the band and I never know, but it was pretty dissapointing for me. I'm sure everybody does that crap, and almost every synth player I see only does that crap, but I thought Star actualy played that part. My bad.

NOBODY CAN FUCKING PLAY THAT PART IN REAL-TIME.

Quote from: varnon on May 18, 2007, 11:10:54 pm
It has a short learning curve for easy stuff.
But its more difficult to master because both hands can make independent music.

I think what is happening here is that you are experiencing reality. Sixteenth note arpeggios for 12 bars at 144-160 beats per minute is a stretch for even the most talented pianist. This is exactly the kind of thing arpeggiators were invented for. It seems as though you just now discovered what they were, what they do, and how often they do it without you realizing. There isn't any shame in that. I would cut Starthe band some slack though.

And if you can play those arpeggios, post them! I would love to see/hear them. Seriously.

Edit! 20 bars, actually!

Yeah, I knew that you were talking about spending time, and I think it would take a hell of a keyboardist to play that live.  I knew immediately when I heard that for the first time that it was either an arpegiator or something that was sequenced in a program or something.  Star has proven to me in various instances that she can play quick (DDD has a few), but to do it that fast and that cleanly across that range... that's the work of a robot.  The idea of somebody complaining that SYNTH isn't REAL enough is almost funny to me.  Sythesizers are all about high technology making things easier.  That's kind of at the core of what a synthesizer is.

Incidentally, you'd hate my live show.

As a bassist and guitarist of several years, I must protest to you saying they are harder instruments than keyboard.  Keyboard is easy to fake, yes, because it caters to a specific key signiture (so as long as you're playing in C major or an equivalent mode, you're always going to be in key if you avoid the black keys).  However, keyboard for me has always been a much harder instrument to do anything really substancial with.  It took me years of guitar to be even mediocre on piano.

Quote from: cesarsalad on May 19, 2007, 01:11:19 am

Quote from: varnon on May 18, 2007, 06:34:44 pm
Well thanks for clarifying the synth jargon. I don't play or have one. I actualy found the part I'm talking about. It might actualy not be as easy to play as I thought, but its hard to hear exactly what it does. It doesn't sound like it takes a Liszt to actualy play it though.
The song is Spending Time, and somebody actualy recorded the show I was at (I didn't even notice!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYLsSHz18Rs
Heres a link.
So everybody knows my extreme stance on performing only what you can perform. Okay, we got that, its extreme and not for everybody I know. But it was like the coolest keyboard part in the song, and I look over there and she is just holding down some keys and adjusting a knob. To me at least, thats not a cool thing to do. The machine is doing to work, not the person. I guess it doesn't actually make her a bad musician, I guess she can play all sorts of cool stuff outside of the band and I never know, but it was pretty dissapointing for me. I'm sure everybody does that crap, and almost every synth player I see only does that crap, but I thought Star actualy played that part. My bad.

NOBODY CAN FUCKING PLAY THAT PART IN REAL-TIME.

im not even sure why you bother looking this up. if you liked the music then just appreciate it cuz even if its programmed, then its obviously programmed by the person playing the instruments and that fair enuf cuz to me, that's already considered hard work.

I looked it up because I wanted to see what was actualy going on. And somebody here asked me what part I was talking about.
And sorry, but I think its really lame to play something you can't play.

You're overanalyzing it, Varnon.

Enjoy the music for what it is: the collaboration of five people to create one united sound.  It doesn't matter if they can't play it live or if an arpeggiator is used or whatever; what matters is that they wrote it and it sounds good.  As Yellow Lightsaber said, sixteenth note arpeggios for twelve bars at 144-160 beats per minute is extremely hard/impossible to play, but if someone were to hit the keys and use an arpeggiator, could it still be said that they're playing because there's still the slightest level of skill involved to get those notes right?

Sincerely,
R.C.

Thats what an arpeggiator is used for, and if they have one, why not use it? I mean its kind of like a delay pedal varnon. Not that a delay pedal and an arpeggiator do the same thing, but they both make certain things possible that are before almost physically impossible. So I ask you varnon, would you mind if Ryen had some killer solos on the new album which featured a delay pedal?

Rivers Cuomo?...

Quote from: varnon on May 18, 2007, 11:10:54 pm
It has a short learning curve for easy stuff.
But its more difficult to master because both hands can make independent music.

Doesn't everything easy have a short learning curve? I mean, isn't that why it's considered easy?

Lets say you are teaching someone totally new to music how to play a simple melody. Take "Marry had a Little Lamb" for an example. The students learning the melody on a keyboard interface are going to learn it a lot faster than students learning on say a violin. Thats what I mean.
And incidentaly that level of melody is what most keyboards in rock bands play. I used to play crap like that, I felt like an idiot playing stuff that simple and easy. I don't do it anymore.

simple/hard has nothing to do with how well a certain melody sounds in a song.

I finally heard the new album.


Oh my god...I'm not just saying this, but it's seriously five times better than I ever thought it would be.  Production wise, it's probably one of the best PRODUCED albums they've done, though not as cohesive thematically as DDD.  Heartache vs Heartbreak made my jaw drop.  I couldn't believe it when it came on.  It was Ozma, but with like, a New Pornographers space age twist.  Incredible. 

The only track that isn't STELLAR is Fight the Darkness, which is still a fun song, with some great guitars as well.  Seriously, I have to wonder if some of you are even listening to the same album I am.  No harmonies are melodies?  What????

I think if I give this song a few more listens it may end up being my favorite over even DDD.  Yeah, I went there.


So, I guess I mean, I am about the most opposite of disappointed possible.  Ya'll be crazy.

I think the anti-arpeggiator argument is my favorite argument of all time.

Quote from: The Other Mike on May 19, 2007, 07:08:07 pm
I think the anti-arpeggiator argument is my favorite argument of all time.

Anyone reminded of the organic music thread?  I think that was our deal boy Scott Peltz <3333

Quote from: heysarahsarah on May 19, 2007, 10:19:21 pm

Quote from: The Other Mike on May 19, 2007, 07:08:07 pm
I think the anti-arpeggiator argument is my favorite argument of all time.

Anyone reminded of the organic music thread?  I think that was our deal boy Scott Peltz <3333

It started out as me and Scott's argument but then Billy took over cause he's soooooooooo smart and oh so much more articulate than I.




...btw that wasn't sarcasm. (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/traurig/sad-smiley-036.gif)

Quote from: varnon on May 19, 2007, 01:35:37 pm
Lets say you are teaching someone totally new to music how to play a simple melody. Take "Marry had a Little Lamb" for an example. The students learning the melody on a keyboard interface are going to learn it a lot faster than students learning on say a violin. Thats what I mean.
And incidentaly that level of melody is what most keyboards in rock bands play. I used to play crap like that, I felt like an idiot playing stuff that simple and easy. I don't do it anymore.

first off i just want to say you are an idiot which is probably a good indication as to why you felt like one. second i would like to see you program an arpeggiator considering you didn't even know what the hell it was, and i would like to see you create and modify sound waves using an analog synthesizer with any amount of skill during a live show (while singing a 5th to the lead when you can't fucking hear a god damn thing cuz the sound guy is off buying a drink at the bar) then say that playing a "keyboard" is easy.

Quote from: heysarahsarah on May 19, 2007, 03:29:55 pm
I finally heard the new album.


Oh my god...I'm not just saying this, but it's seriously five times better than I ever thought it would be.  Production wise, it's probably one of the best PRODUCED albums they've done, though not as cohesive thematically as DDD.  Heartache vs Heartbreak made my jaw drop.  I couldn't believe it when it came on.  It was Ozma, but with like, a New Pornographers space age twist.  Incredible. 

The only track that isn't STELLAR is Fight the Darkness, which is still a fun song, with some great guitars as well.  Seriously, I have to wonder if some of you are even listening to the same album I am.  No harmonies are melodies?  What????

I think if I give this song a few more listens it may end up being my favorite over even DDD.  Yeah, I went there.


So, I guess I mean, I am about the most opposite of disappointed possible.  Ya'll be crazy.

geez i dun know. im not saying its a bad album. it is new only that i dun think it's as great as their previous realease that's all.
the thing about a good realease is that, you dun need a few listen to even appreciate the album even if its somethin new that the band is trying out. for example...take the band hellogoodbye. their latest realease is way far from their previous album but i totally enjoyed it when i first heard it.

but what the heck, ive already got my ozma cd (thats for not thinking before grabbing it off the shelves) and i just have to try to enjoy it since ive already paid for them.

Quote from: butterfly on May 22, 2007, 12:01:24 am

Quote from: heysarahsarah on May 19, 2007, 03:29:55 pm
I finally heard the new album.


Oh my god...I'm not just saying this, but it's seriously five times better than I ever thought it would be.  Production wise, it's probably one of the best PRODUCED albums they've done, though not as cohesive thematically as DDD.  Heartache vs Heartbreak made my jaw drop.  I couldn't believe it when it came on.  It was Ozma, but with like, a New Pornographers space age twist.  Incredible. 

The only track that isn't STELLAR is Fight the Darkness, which is still a fun song, with some great guitars as well.  Seriously, I have to wonder if some of you are even listening to the same album I am.  No harmonies are melodies?  What????

I think if I give this song a few more listens it may end up being my favorite over even DDD.  Yeah, I went there.


So, I guess I mean, I am about the most opposite of disappointed possible.  Ya'll be crazy.

geez i dun know. im not saying its a bad album. it is new only that i dun think it's as great as their previous realease that's all.
the thing about a good realease is that, you dun need a few listen to even appreciate the album even if its somethin new that the band is trying out. for example...take the band hellogoodbye. their latest realease is way far from their previous album but i totally enjoyed it when i first heard it.

but what the heck, ive already got my ozma cd (thats for not thinking before grabbing it off the shelves) and i just have to try to enjoy it since ive already paid for them.

Most of the music I love took me a few listens to get into. Most things do for me, really.

Quote from: Kris Danger on May 21, 2007, 12:27:21 pm

Quote from: varnon on May 19, 2007, 01:35:37 pm
Lets say you are teaching someone totally new to music how to play a simple melody. Take "Marry had a Little Lamb" for an example. The students learning the melody on a keyboard interface are going to learn it a lot faster than students learning on say a violin. Thats what I mean.
And incidentaly that level of melody is what most keyboards in rock bands play. I used to play crap like that, I felt like an idiot playing stuff that simple and easy. I don't do it anymore.

first off i just want to say you are an idiot which is probably a good indication as to why you felt like one. second i would like to see you program an arpeggiator considering you didn't even know what the hell it was, and i would like to see you create and modify sound waves using an analog synthesizer with any amount of skill during a live show (while singing a 5th to the lead when you can't fucking hear a god damn thing cuz the sound guy is off buying a drink at the bar) then say that playing a "keyboard" is easy.

BANG!

Quote from: butterfly on May 22, 2007, 12:01:24 am
geez i dun know. im not saying its a bad album. it is new only that i dun think it's as great as their previous realease that's all.
the thing about a good realease is that, you dun need a few listen to even appreciate the album even if its somethin new that the band is trying out. for example...take the band hellogoodbye. their latest realease is way far from their previous album but i totally enjoyed it when i first heard it.

but what the heck, ive already got my ozma cd (thats for not thinking before grabbing it off the shelves) and i just have to try to enjoy it since ive already paid for them.

I kind of liked weezers old stuff when I first heard it. However it took me a number of listens to really enjoy it, now those songs are some of my favorite out there (and that was the first weezer stuff I got into). At the time I didnt like things that were not very heavy. The album changed my opinion. The same with the older ozma albums. The same with the beatles. Most of my favorite bands took some time before I really enjoyed them. Thats becuase they usualy alter some musical bias. This new album may not be my favorite ozma album but I enjoy it and my opinion in changing as I listen. Give it time.

Quote from: oatmeal on May 29, 2007, 09:30:32 am

Quote from: butterfly on May 22, 2007, 12:01:24 am
geez i dun know. im not saying its a bad album. it is new only that i dun think it's as great as their previous realease that's all.
the thing about a good realease is that, you dun need a few listen to even appreciate the album even if its somethin new that the band is trying out. for example...take the band hellogoodbye. their latest realease is way far from their previous album but i totally enjoyed it when i first heard it.

but what the heck, ive already got my ozma cd (thats for not thinking before grabbing it off the shelves) and i just have to try to enjoy it since ive already paid for them.

I kind of liked weezers old stuff when I first heard it. However it took me a number of listens to really enjoy it, now those songs are some of my favorite out there (and that was the first weezer stuff I got into). At the time I didnt like things that were not very heavy. The album changed my opinion. The same with the older ozma albums. The same with the beatles. Most of my favorite bands took some time before I really enjoyed them. Thats becuase they usualy alter some musical bias. This new album may not be my favorite ozma album but I enjoy it and my opinion in changing as I listen. Give it time.

true, i dun this its gonna be a great realease but i'll give credit for the fact that i'm listening to new ozma songs.

Pasadena is a brilliant album, and it makes me shiver when I hear its brilliance.

if an album makes you shiver, then you got problems kid.

I found my myself shightly shivering several times when I listened to weezer and ozma before. I aslo found my self doing so on the moving part of good movies. Maybee I should see a doctor.

Quote from: oatmeal on May 31, 2007, 05:32:57 pm
I found my myself shightly shivering several times when I listened to weezer and ozma before. I aslo found my self doing so on the moving part of good movies. Maybee I should see a doctor.

I think this album is boring and uninspired.

Your not including uderneath my tree right? Lunchbreak?

yes elliott you should see a doctor about that whole shivering thing...

After months of listening to nothing but Fiery Furnaces, Of Montreal, and Half-Handed Cloud.....The new OZMA album rocks!  Yeah I said it, they put the rock and roll back into my weiner-pop.  That's a genre.  It kicks rear ya'll.

To the people that initially dislike this album.  I'm not going to say much...actually I've only have one word: "Pinkerton"  (Yea yea, I know...it's not to that extent...but you get the idea)

Quote from: Steveguy on June 07, 2007, 12:18:25 am
To the people that initially dislike this album.  I'm not going to say much...actually I've only have one word: "Pinkerton"  (Yea yea, I know...it's not to that extent...but you get the idea)

fuck yeah. I am totally getting this vibe.

I was unbelievably disappointed that when I went for a cheese steak this afternoon, they were out of steak!  Had it with chicken instead, and it was pretty damn good.

Love the album though.  Still, unbelievably disappointed... :'(

Stop posting in this thread, it's stupid. haha.

Quote from: heysarahsarah on May 19, 2007, 03:29:55 pm
Heartache vs Heartbreak made my jaw drop.  I couldn't believe it when it came on.  It was Ozma, but with like, a New Pornographers space age twist.  Incredible.

PLEASE refrain from comparing:
1. Ozma to the New Pornographers while citing this song
2. Star Wick to Neko Motherfucking Case

That's a pretty embarrassing post-date-to-reply-date gap there.

First comparison's also apt enough, and no one made the second.

Quote from: Bob511 on June 18, 2007, 08:10:45 pm
That's a pretty embarrassing post-date-to-reply-date gap there.

First comparison's also apt enough, and no one made the second.

1. If I'm not embarrassed to be on this board in general, nothing else I do online will embarrass me. Not even *GASP* a reply gap. (lol?). But I must say, your cyber chivalry remains unmatched. Way to defend the lady's net honor!  :-*  :-*

2. Not even close and 3. You know what I mean. She clearly was referring to the tradeoff on male/female vocals, ala NP. Duh, I didn't think she actually believed Star was in the same league as Case. But then can you blame me? It was the only way I could criticize a band member without fear of them getting on Ryen's name and coming after me.

Tim, I'm not the only one to make such a comparison.  And I never compared Star to Neko. 


Can you lighten up perhaps?

Sorry! I was trying to dig at the band, not at you. I came off as a diq and I apologize.

Also, sorry Bob! I didn't make the connection of you two until just now. Let's be friends, even though you don't like me, please.



Edit: Shit. Sorry. I keep trailing off topic. Yes. I was unbelievably disappointed by the new album.

It's a good song.

After re-reading the first few pages of this thread, I find it extremely telling that, over a month after the album was released, all of the original critics in this thread have either shut the hell up,

tried to backtrack:

Quote from: butterfly on May 16, 2007, 04:13:20 pm
well my first ozma album and dammn i was dissappointed!
...
its just like how weezer looses their touch when they realease malidroit.
...
pasadena-----> dammn....what the hell is it with 'lunchbreak'

Quote from: butterfly on May 22, 2007, 12:01:24 am
im not saying its a bad album.

...or basically crashed themselves into the ground:

Quote from: varnon on May 17, 2007, 05:37:38 pm
So that actualy is Star?
Huh.
Well my apologies then. Somehow that night you did manage to fool my friends and I into thinking you played as I described.
I'm actualy glad that you don't play that way because it was pretty dissapointing to think that you did.

Nobody wanted to fucking listen to anybody who actually knew the album to begin with, and now that people have heard the album out a few times, all those critics are looking stupid.
And yes, I'm calling those people out on this like an ass, but only because they still deserve it.
And yes, I know those examples above will piss people off, but whatever. You come to the Ozma Fans Forum to bash an Ozma album-- you should expect it.
And yes, that explains the BOLD FONT!!!!

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I like it. So there.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's my favorite Ozma album, but I like where they're going with their sound. That seems to be the issue of most of the critics, right? Heaven forbid a band's sound and style mature/change after x amount of years together.

If you wanna listen to the same thing over and over again, go buy any Lenny Kravitz album.

Quote from: Andy on June 20, 2007, 08:55:15 pm
You come to the Ozma Fans Forum to bash an Ozma album-- you should expect it.

While I certainly appreciate your moxy, I think that's a clue into the more likely reason why people "shut the hell up." They're simply tired of getting shit. Not because the album finally grew on them. If that's what you're implying???

I haven't really made my full conclusion on here so here it is:

It's weird I will listen to Pasadena and I will like it allot. Then I will listen to an older album from Ozma and I think "man, I wish Pasadena made me feel like this."

Thus my conclusion= I think Pasadena is great but it's not at my level. So while I like it but it does not touch me like my favorite music does.*


*My feelings are based on the album over all. A few songs like HVH and Underneath my Tree are expections. These songs are more my level. I would say at this moment HVH=my favorite off the album.

Why put an asterisk at the end of a sentence when there is nothing between the asterisk and that footnote?

I like Pasadena a lot. Many of the things you feel when you listen to the older albums are likely memories of that time in your life. It's not so much the music itself, but what it reminds you of. 10 years from now some of us will listen to Pasadena and feel much the same way.

Quote from: Joe on June 23, 2007, 07:53:12 am
Why put an asterisk at the end of a sentence when there is nothing between the asterisk and that footnote?

I like Pasadena a lot. Many of the things you feel when you listen to the older albums are likely memories of that time in your life. It's not so much the music itself, but what it reminds you of. 10 years from now some of us will listen to Pasadena and feel much the same way.

Your probally right.

Quote from: Joe on June 23, 2007, 07:53:12 am
Why put an asterisk at the end of a sentence when there is nothing between the asterisk and that footnote?

i'd like to think he meant for it to be read in the context of a footnote, as opposed to a supporting statement. or something along those lines that makes sense.

Quote from: Joe on June 23, 2007, 07:53:12 am
Why put an asterisk at the end of a sentence when there is nothing between the asterisk and that footnote?

I like Pasadena a lot. Many of the things you feel when you listen to the older albums are likely memories of that time in your life. It's not so much the music itself, but what it reminds you of. 10 years from now some of us will listen to Pasadena and feel much the same way.

Eh, I don't associate a certain time with the older albums. I just loved the albums, and it was the first time in my life, I'd found an artist, where i actually loved every single song on an album.

is that how you felt about tally hall

Quote
Eh, I don't associate a certain time with the older albums. I just loved the albums, and it was the first time in my life, I'd found an artist, where i actually loved every single song on an album.

im with you on the first part. i remember when a freind send me some ISOTAC songs on AIM in '00 or '01, but other than that,yea i dont have any strong memories tied to the early albums at all, they rock hard, so i listen to em all the time.

and another note, ozma is the first group uve ever listened to that u liked all the songs on the albums?? wow...im sorry dude. i pretty much only listen to cds were i love every song on them. i hate skipping songs, except when its a rehash put on more than one album, and i DONT mean just ozma, punk groups do this alot.

Quote from: Bullies to go on June 22, 2007, 05:14:12 pm

Quote from: Andy on June 20, 2007, 08:55:15 pm
You come to the Ozma Fans Forum to bash an Ozma album-- you should expect it.

While I certainly appreciate your moxy, I think that's a clue into the more likely reason why people "shut the hell up." They're simply tired of getting shit. Not because the album finally grew on them. If that's what you're implying???

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Quote from: Rome on June 24, 2007, 11:19:10 am

Quote from: Joe on June 23, 2007, 07:53:12 am
Why put an asterisk at the end of a sentence when there is nothing between the asterisk and that footnote?

i'd like to think he meant for it to be read in the context of a footnote, as opposed to a supporting statement. or something along those lines that makes sense.

Your right, thats what I used it for.

Quote from: I Like Ozma on June 24, 2007, 06:10:17 pm
is that how you felt about tally hall

Actually, yeah. When I first got into Tally Hall last year, as well as today...I love every song.

I bought the album and then made a burned copy without tracks 1, 3, & 4. 
I think it's a marvelous collection of songs, it's just that they really made a shitty move putting Fight The Darkness and the remakes on there. 
Those three tracks are some half-assed bullshit.

QuoteThose three tracks are some half-assed bullshit.

wow. very blunt, that made me laugh.

Quote from: Fantastic Max on June 26, 2007, 10:08:12 pm

Quote from: I Like Ozma on June 24, 2007, 06:10:17 pm
is that how you felt about tally hall

Actually, yeah. When I first got into Tally Hall last year, as well as today...I love every song.

i dont think i like every song from them, just mainly "just apathy" and "the bidding"

after a few listens, I gotta say that i do miss some of the lighter sound.  The new album is good...quite good...but it's decidedly heavier, more serious, more somber. Though the lighter, more airy quality of I Wonder makes me smile. and Incarnation Blues and Barriers have some of the right tones, but still feels heavy in places.

Not that the heavier stuff is bad..but i hope there might be some more of the lighter sounds from before too, as the sound continues to mature.

Though, to be perfectly honest, i still can't get into Fight the Darkness. I think that's mostly the repetition of that line though. After the first 10 seconds, I quite understand that there is Darkness, and it is to be fought. That's made readily apparent. and when it crops up again..just starts to get on my nerves.

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Nobody wanted to fucking listen to anybody who actually knew the album to begin with, and now that people have heard the album out a few times, all those critics are looking stupid.
And yes, I'm calling those people out on this like an ass, but only because they still deserve it.
And yes, I know those examples above will piss people off, but whatever. You come to the Ozma Fans Forum to bash an Ozma album-- you should expect it.
And yes, that explains the BOLD FONT!!!!

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Funny, I still don't like the album and I created this thread.  I stopped posting here because I don't know how many different ways can I say, "I don't like it"  I am a Huge OZMA fan and I wanted to see what other OZMA fans thought.  Pretty simple, no bold needed.

I'm still disappointed, but at the very least I got HvH and Incarnation Blues out of the album, and two years ago I never thought I'd hear another new OZMA song that I like.  So there's the bright side.

how could you not love motorology and underneath my tree?

Quote from: I Like Ozma on July 05, 2007, 02:23:26 pm
how could you not love motorology and underneath my tree?

I know!! Those songs are great

Quote from: aqotgg on June 27, 2007, 09:46:36 am
Those three tracks are some half-assed bullshit.

Actually, the new version of No-One Needs To Know makes the old version sound half-assed.

And I say that as someone for whom the original was one of their favourite songs.

Quote from: Seb on July 13, 2007, 06:28:51 am

Quote from: aqotgg on June 27, 2007, 09:46:36 am
Those three tracks are some half-assed bullshit.

Actually, the new version of No-One Needs To Know makes the old version sound half-assed.

And I say that as someone for whom the original was one of their favourite songs.

I do like the added instruments and such. However, I HATE the shortened bass speed up to the verse. I think it sounded alot better as a more progressive speed up, so it kind of gets on my nerves.

Quote from: oatmeal on July 13, 2007, 02:06:47 pm
I do like the added instruments and such. However, I HATE the shortened bass speed up to the verse. I think it sounded alot better as a more progressive speed up, so it kind of gets on my nerves.

Yes--I disliked the new version of No One Needs to Know the first few times I listened to it but then one day it struck me that I really liked it, and the rushed speed-up is the only thing that I still dislike.

kind of the same here, i like the new version better maybe, but i dislike both versions.

I liked pasedena ok before, but my appreciation for the record has tripled. There isn't one bad song, and the only ones I'd skip through are no one needs to know and eponine, and that's just because they're old. Well... ok I've never liked eponine. So what.

But man, like I said pasedena just exploded  :-X
They made keys/complimentary keys their bitch on this album. The music is damn intelligent, and so are the lyrics. Just unbelievable.

ozma is a musically intelligent band.

dan said he doesn't use theory when working out ozma songs.
i havn't found a single listener of pasadena that believes him.

I haven't listened to OZMA in a few years, except for a recent listen  to "borderline" which made me wonder what OZMA is doing now, and found a NEW ALBUM! Terrif. I listened to it today on big headphones, on the bus, and decided it is way good. I think it is forward movement in all the ways that have been discussed. It's still OZMA though. Advanced OZMA. Just what I was hoping for (although a little bit short).
They're trying out new vocal styles, uses for weird sound effects and technology and some more lyrical maturity. I identify with them just like I did with rock and roll part three when I was in high school.
My only question, not even criticism necessarily, is why eponine? It was on the last album, just fine. Why is there the exact same song on this one? Does anyone know?
Straight flush is awesome. I will listen to this album again and again.

ozma's new label wanted them to re-record eponine and also "no one needs to know" from the album "doubble donkey disc" as singles for this album. your welcome.

Well, that's fair. Alright. no complaints. Thanks.

and welcome to the boards, hope you will post more than just those two times.

I will, I think. I used to be here all the time back in the "day", but I have no idea what my name was.

Actually, I remember there being alot more non-OZMA-related discussion going on. Does that ever happen anymore? Like discussion of new movies or the new Smashing Pumpkins album, etc.

Quote from: respect on August 01, 2007, 07:14:30 am
Actually, I remember there being alot more non-OZMA-related discussion going on. Does that ever happen anymore? Like discussion of new movies or the new Smashing Pumpkins album, etc.

Uh, in the Off Topic section.

Quote from: respect on August 01, 2007, 07:12:05 am
I will, I think. I used to be here all the time back in the "day", but I have no idea what my name was.

:-\ ??? :-\


BOY THAT SOUNDS LIKE A DIRTY LIE FROM SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BE POPULAR WITH THE FORUM!!!

yeah there is an off-topic section, which sucks by the way.

No you suck!

OT is kind of insular, in that its been the same community of posters for what 4 years or so? Newbie adoption is a slow process but once people learn to stop posting like idiots, they begin to be accepted with the in-group. We like intelligent people, what can I say?

Seriously?  Seriously?

QuoteOT is kind of insular, in that its been the same community of posters for what 4 years or so?

i very much agree.

as do i. "in crowd" = "no longer ozma fans"

Weren't you already put in your place last time you said something like that?

ive never been put in any place on this forum.

Quoteas do i. "in crowd" = "no longer ozma fans"

this is what i've found most fascinating about the Ozma Fans Forum. discussing/liking Ozma seems to be shunned. i've seen it to be, voice your opinion on the new album once, then dont mention Ozma again.

Yeah, but those of us who have been posting here for a while have already talked about Ozma to death.  Most of us have different musical tastes from four years ago.  We just come here because a.  it's habit and b.  we like the people. 

Quote from: I Like Ozma on August 03, 2007, 06:29:45 pm
ive never been put in any place on this forum.

:D :D :D

oh, and the OT doesn't discriminate. People who make dumb posts get shit, but there's no old poster/new poster double standard.  Look at Samuel.

Quote from: k24 on July 23, 2007, 06:22:05 am
ozma is a musically intelligent band.

dan said he doesn't use theory when working out ozma songs.
i havn't found a single listener of pasadena that believes him.

Me and dan have had a few discussions of theory, as well as theory relative to Ozma songs, so he definitely analyzes the songs theoretically.  He might not WRITE them from a hard theoretical standpoint, but he has to consider it.  I don't know how a musician who knows theory could possibly separate himself from it.  I can't, and I'm fucking ignorant compared to him.

Quote from: I Like Ozma on August 03, 2007, 06:29:45 pm
ive never been put in any place on this forum.

the only time stuff like that happens is when people are genuine jackasses. Posting something like "OMG I'M THE BIGGEST OZMA FAN IN THE WORLD. I JERK OFF TO PASADENA EVERY NIGHT" type stuff. No you're not, we've been there and done that shit, and you may have gotten them to sign Pasadena, but i think Jason has the biggest collection of memorabillia. I mean perhaps you are their BIGGEST FAN. We're pretty bad though. This board went down after they broke up so we got up and created a new one.

Just don't be a jerk and you'll be ok.

well im not being a jerk, i am just stating the simple fact that most of the off-topic users usually dont actually listen to ozma anymore. and are not actually "ozma fans" you guys will actually admit it just in other terms as in "we have grown tired of talking about ozma because we have been around so long" or "our musical tastes have changed in the past four years" but it is all the same. you are no longer ozma fans. maybe not all of you, but the majority.

Most?

Quote from: I Like Ozma on August 04, 2007, 07:26:50 am
well im not being a jerk, i am just stating the simple fact that most of the off-topic users usually dont actually listen to ozma anymore. and are not actually "ozma fans" you guys will actually admit it just in other terms as in "we have grown tired of talking about ozma because we have been around so long" or "our musical tastes have changed in the past four years" but it is all the same. you are no longer ozma fans. maybe not all of you, but the majority.

WRONG! Wrong, and wrong again.

If I remember correctly, only about 25% voted that they didn't like/listen to Ozma, whereas the other 75%ish voted that they did. I don't see how you get a mass majority of the OT from 25%. No, not consistently talking about Ozma because they have done it plenty, or other reasons, is not remotely the same as not liking Ozma. Sure, some don't talk about Ozma because they no longer like them, but others just haven't the need to talk about them. I don't talk about Intellivision, Perfect Dark, Weezer, Soccer, Transformers, girls, or Morgan Waters very much at all, but I still love all of those things to bits. No, changed musical tastes does not necessarily mean that they no longer like Ozma. For some it could, but for others, it could just mean that they don't like them as much. A band doesn't have to be in your top 10 or whatever for you to be considered a fan of them.

Lastly, don't generalize or exaggerate something to make your point. It doesn't work, it just makes it look like you're full of crap.

See. Cantelope is a fine example of what I was talking about. He's new in the past year or so (?) but he posts in OT and people got pissed at first, but once he started posting intelligently people stopped giving him shit. I mean this isn't a competition, its a hang out spot.

QuoteHe's new in the past year or so (?) but he posts in OT and people got pissed at first, but once he started posting intelligently

do you think that all G.O.D. posters that post in OT are initially posting unintelligently?

Quote from: CantelopeSkiz on August 04, 2007, 04:29:14 pm

Quote from: I Like Ozma on August 04, 2007, 07:26:50 am
well im not being a jerk, i am just stating the simple fact that most of the off-topic users usually dont actually listen to ozma anymore. and are not actually "ozma fans" you guys will actually admit it just in other terms as in "we have grown tired of talking about ozma because we have been around so long" or "our musical tastes have changed in the past four years" but it is all the same. you are no longer ozma fans. maybe not all of you, but the majority.

WRONG! Wrong, and wrong again.

I don't talk about Intellivision, Perfect Dark, Weezer, Soccer, Transformers, girls, or Morgan Waters very much at all, but I still love all of those things to bits.

but are you a member each of their "fan" forums?

lol, i'd hardly say the Weezer forums have "fans" anymore. Weezernation is just a "bash Weezer" forum, and for that i am thankful. it'll be great to see how much new bashing will occur once there new album comes out. lol @ weezer.

I feel like this has gone downhill ever since I showed up and mentioned the OC. 
Ozma has never been my favorite band, but it's a fun board, I think. Maybe I'll switch to ween, though. I hear the ween board's pretty happenin' these days. Who's with me?
Seriously, though- what's up with karma and why is mine negative? Whose call was that? Aggressive negative karma only breeds negative behavior, you know, like negative reinforcement. The system seems kind of backwards. Perhaps I stepped on an ant in a former life and this is my just deserts. I'll never understand the universe.
Speaking of Ozma, I would like to suggest that Lunchbreak > Motorology is a really great seven minutes of music.

oh dip, it's back to zero. How does that work, please? (newbie question)

http://www.ozmafans.com/index.php/topic,1891.0.html

Quote from: I Like Ozma on August 04, 2007, 11:01:04 pm

Quote from: CantelopeSkiz on August 04, 2007, 04:29:14 pm

Quote from: I Like Ozma on August 04, 2007, 07:26:50 am
well im not being a jerk, i am just stating the simple fact that most of the off-topic users usually dont actually listen to ozma anymore. and are not actually "ozma fans" you guys will actually admit it just in other terms as in "we have grown tired of talking about ozma because we have been around so long" or "our musical tastes have changed in the past four years" but it is all the same. you are no longer ozma fans. maybe not all of you, but the majority.

WRONG! Wrong, and wrong again.

I don't talk about Intellivision, Perfect Dark, Weezer, Soccer, Transformers, girls, or Morgan Waters very much at all, but I still love all of those things to bits.

but are you a member each of their "fan" forums?

Intellivision: doesn't have a fans forum, though I am subscribed to the closest thing.
Perfect Dark: I'm not that big of a gamer.
Weezer: Much too big for my taste
Soccer: the soccer fans forum? I'm sure that would be much too big, and i wouldn't care about what would be on it.
Transformers: I sometimes lurk on one, and occasionally help out another
girls: I talk to girls instead of about them.
Morgan Waters: there isn't one, but I'm a street team member of his band, if that counts(it doesn't, cause I'm in Winnipeg).
Also, I was ever an active member on any  of the fan forums of these things, in the first place. It's not like I was, got tired of talking about them, and left.

I think you're failing to realize that when they started here, they were into Ozma, and enjoyed discussing them. It's just silly to leave a community because you're sick of talking about one of the aspects featured in that community, especially when there's whole other sub-forums to talk in. If I ever grow old of talking about Ozma, it's not like I have to find a new community to post in, I could just talk about non-Ozma things. Just because it's called the Ozma Fans Forums, it doesn't mean that only Ozma fans can participate. That would be like making it so that only members of Lemon Demon could post in the Lemon Demon forums. However, there are plenty of people who participate in the Lemon Demon forums, even though all except two of them aren't a member of Lemon Demon.

i never said they were bad people for not liking ozma anymore, all i have said was that they are no longer ozma fans.

I know, there's no mention of 'bad people' anywhere in that post.

sounds good.

What he's saying is that fans can get burned out on talking about the subject of their fandom and still remain fans.

Quote from: respect on August 05, 2007, 04:25:15 am
I feel like this has gone downhill ever since I showed up and mentioned the OC. 

You mean OT?
Anyhow, it's not you. It seems like I re-read some argument like this every couple months here. Usually some really really big ozma fan that doesn't like mike or jason.

It's funny how this one was brought up in a long thread with an overwhelming majority of new and old members defending Pasedena, though.

Yeah, I think the person who actually posted with the most positive assessment of the new album was Sarah.

And she's not old-school AT ALL...

Quote from: I Like Ozma on August 04, 2007, 11:01:04 pm
but are you a member each of their "fan" forums?

Okay Seb bumped this a couple days ago, but I just wanted to comment on this.  Kind of Samuel that one could think that the only way one can be a fan of something is to be a member of said thing's "fan" forum and shout it from the rooftops constantly.  I mean, are you serious?

Whoa!  I can't believe this thread is still raging!  You'd think I'd been posting in it!  :P  That's really all I wanted.

I still listen to Pasadena occasionally.  Unfortunately not as much as I listen to The Get Up Kids or The Anniversary or The Casket Lottery.  But, I still love The Ozma, and I still love the album.

can't say i have any love for the Get Up Kids, but i love the Anniversary. Your Majesty is still one of my top 10 fav albums since 00

Quote from: VanSlegr Fan on August 24, 2007, 08:47:21 pm
can't say i have any love for the Get Up Kids, but i love the Anniversary. Your Majesty is still one of my top 10 fav albums since 00

ooh-- I can't say I agree with you there.  I think Your Majesty was a MAJOR disappointment after Designing A Nervous Breakdown--which I think is one of the best albums EVER of that "emo" genre.  --But, to each his own.

Quoteooh-- I can't say I agree with you there.  I think Your Majesty was a MAJOR disappointment after Designing A Nervous Breakdown--which I think is one of the best albums EVER of that "emo" genre.  --But, to each his own.

hmmmm....can't say that i've ever felt Anniv. was "emo", but to each his own.

i never loved Pasa. but i do listen to it, and its been fun organizing my Ozma section of my new 80 gig ipod, seeing all the goodies i have.

Quote from: Seb on August 20, 2007, 11:41:48 am
Yeah, I think the person who actually posted with the most positive assessment of the new album was Sarah.

And she's not old-school AT ALL...

At first I was gunna get all defensive and be like "Seb, I totally started posting like 2 months before you!"

And then I realized you were JOKING.  :)


Hmm...lets stay on track peeps.  After this post, if you have questions or wanna dish about other forums available pls take to OT. 


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