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Show was awesome, met Samantha, Lisa, Dylan, Bob and Sarah... Saw Niles.  Good stuff. 

So fucking good. The new song was great. I'm bad at making musical comparisons, but it sounded to me like a mix between "Spending Time" and "Curve in the Old 1-9" (the geek rock distorted guitars + keyboard, but with alot of musical complexity).

There were people all over the stage with video cameras. It'd be great to see a DVD of this show.

Whoever said everyone who goes to an Ozma show just stands around was very, very wrong. My friend's shirt was covered in his own blood by the end of the night. No lie... covered. It was a white shirt, now it looks pink/orange.

I don't give a shit if you drove from out of town to see Ozma; it still does not give you the right to get really fucking drunk and hang on to the shoulders of the people in front of you while you scream in their ear "DO YOU KNOW DANIEL BRUMMEL? IS HE A COOL GUY?" Everyone was there to have a good time so please respect other people's personal space and let them enjoy the show too.

The new shirts look cool.

I'm very sleepy and not going to bother looking for errors in spelling or grammmer.

I thought the new song had a very Domino Effectish melody to it.

set list?

Forgive my drunken memory but I'll do my best until someone has a better one.

They started with...

Natalie Portman
Spending time (fromÃ,  here on in I'm not sure of the order)
Shooting Stars
Domino Effect
New song
Baseball
Rocks
Battle scars
Flight of the bootymaster
Turtleneck cover up
Restart
Eponine
Game over
Tetris
No one needs to know
The buissness of gettign down
Wake up
They ended with In search of...

jesus h. christ. what a great fucking show. This was the most energetic Ozma show I've ever been too, besides when they played with Slowreader at the El Rey.

i recorded a lot of their songs (including the new song) with my shitty ass digital camera. Dont expect great quality...but youll get a sense of waht the show was like.

I'm gonna upload on youtube now.

FUCK YES! Samuel!
i met dylan, ryne, bob, sarah, david, i like ozma, kris (again) and hung out with samantha and her sister and friend who were Samuel and picked me up and dropped me off. i love all of you guys!
the show turned into a pretty damn violent ordeal with tons of almost getting trampled moments and i had to be pulled out of the pit because i almost collaped onto the floor. never did i think an ozma show would be too hardcore for me.
ryne and i held hands durning baseball and wake up and it was super cute and so fun.

um, my personal favorite was them playing rocks. i was jumping and oh it was Samuel!
energy through the roof! and i <3 ken. he did an Samuel job.
and lol@handclaps being local celebs.

;D


edit: EW@boys yelling lewd things to star. i had to be a bitch and yell at them for being disrespectful. they were the drunk assholes who started all the fucking violent crowd swaying shit too. ugh. wish i had had the balls to hit them. bastards!

OMG!

I loved how the entire band was loaded with energy--not just Jose.

There were too many cameras.Ã,  The above set list is a bit in the wrong order... I can tell you now for certain what the last few songs were:

Baseball
Domino Effect
Eponine
--encore:--
Battlescars
Rocks
1988

I didn't meet any OFFersÃ,  :(

It's completly wrong in order, but I got all the songs right?  18 in all?

pics plz


Sweet set list!  You guys were so lucky!  I am so jealous!  I am using exclamation points!

Quote from: srm273 on March 12, 2006, 11:47:18 pm
I didn't meet anyone :(

REALLY??!

Quote from: noonchild on March 12, 2006, 11:49:30 pm
It's completly wrong in order, but I got all the songs right?Ã,  18 in all?

yeah, I believe it was 18. Ã, You do seem to have them all.

Also-- no one mentioned about how 3 of 4 members of Satisfaction ran out on stage in their underpants. Ã, I thought it was rather funny. Ã, During Wake Up I believe...

also, don't count on a DVD anytime soon--but did anyone record an audio boot?


edit to fix my Satisfaction spelling mistakes.Ã,  and btw, I LOVE Satisfaction.Ã,  The music is great, I love the "style" of the band, and they are SO nice.

edit#2:Ã,  The crowd was Samuel.Ã,  It seemed kinda rough down there, but everyone had SO much energy and rocked out just as hard as the band.Ã,  it was awesome, awesome.

edit#3:Ã,  The new stuff reminds me of "old stuff, but with different instruments."Ã,  I know that doesn't sound like it makes sense, but it doesn't sound anything like Spending Time SONGS to me--but it sounds like it has some "spending time thought" behind it.Ã,  Like... "If My Amp Had Wheels" but with less distortion...Ã,  i dunno.Ã,  i'm sew drunx.Ã,  (lol, not) --that's not what I mean, but I feel like it's classic Ozma taken to a new level--not in the direction of Spending Time...

Bob did.  I missed satisfaction in their underwear as I was at the bar.

oh and i forgot...

what did everyone think of mi shu? (sp?)

you know how in Alien 3, David Fincher used a certain tone for the soundtrack to make the audience feel sick and claustrophobic....

...yeah......

they didn't play last dance, just 1988. and mei shu was one of the worst fucking bands i've ever seen.

however, ozma's show was absolutely fantastic. completely everything i could have wanted from an ozma show.

Quote from: savewhatyouare on March 13, 2006, 12:11:08 am

what did everyone think of mae-shi? (sp?)

Well, I admire the "experimental" aspect of them. Ã, But I can't imagine sitting at home or in my car listening to it all. Ã, I think they're very creative, I just couldn't see myself listening to them any time other than a show... Ã, Like, you know, you wouldn't dress up in costume to watch Rocky Horror if you were just watching it by yourself in your living room. Ã, They put on an interesting show, but yeah... parts made me ill too.

edit: btw, I don't think they're great paired with Ozma.  Satisfaction was better for this.

I thought I recognized some of you from the photo thread. Like Ryne. But I wasn't sure.

Ozma highlights:
-mustachioed Satisfaction jumping around during a song
-New song- potentially pretty good, sounded like they didn't really have their crap together. But very promising. Dan sings it, lots of Ryen melodic guitar wailing.
-Bootymaster! Baseball!
-New Battlescars arrangement
-Britney Spears-style mic for Star.

Ozma blooper reel:
-TERRIBLE mix. Ryen's guitar was a zillion times louder than anyone else, and it was unfortunate, because...
-Ryen's playing was about as sloppy as i've ever seen him play.
-Tetris fizzles out when an amp gets unplugged by the camera dude.

It may be that I've just been to way too many Ozma shows, But this one was overall pretty underwhelming and mediocre. Satisfaction played a much tighter set.

[/buzzkill]

Regarding the Mae Shi:

On one hand, I respect that they're trying to do something really out there and post-modern... On the other hand, If I wanted to watch a group of hopped up lunatics yell at me while masturbating, I'd go to a mental hospital and get the genuine article. Novel, but ultimately not a shtick I ever want to endure again.

I've posted vids on youtube. Theyre not all up yet...but tetris and nat are ready. The quality is terrible and the sound is out of sync. Youtube doesnt like my videos for some reason.

i also have pics, but i cant figure out how to post it on the board...does photobucket not work or something?

awesome!  thanks.  I don't know anything about photos... I usually just put them on my website, and then link them. 

HOWEVER, I think you can upload here, and then link:

http://www.ozmafans.com/photos/

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/digitalashurn/album?.dir=ccfe&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/digitalashurn/my_photos

there's a link to some pictures from the knitting factory show. (06- 3)

theres another ozma album from the december 3rd show at the troub. (05 -12).


feel free to browse around the other albums and mock me for being asian.

Why is everyone hating on the mae shi?  The mae shi is fucking awesome.

The melody of the new song I heard on youtube sounded very familior to me.(I know It had a little bit of domino effect, but the other parts sounded familior as well) Myabee an commuter melody?


Yeah theres difenitly some older commuter melodys in here. <---edit

I saw a couple groups of who I thought might be forum members. I did see that one guy from here, that's like a kinda chunky mexican guy with buddy holly(weezer)-type glasses and a red shirt.

Ryne. :D

edit--oops, Kris. owned. :(

Quote from: The Other Mike on March 13, 2006, 06:43:41 am
Why is everyone hating on the mae shi?Ã,  The mae shi is fucking awesome.

The Mae Shi is far beyond awesome. Ã, Seriously guys. Ã, Terrorbird has to be one of the top 10 records I've ever heard. Ã, I understand why the average Ozma fan wouldn't like them, but it doesn't mean you're not wrong. Ã, They are objective quality.

If anyone who heard the mae shi for the first time at this show and was put off wants to give them another shot, IM me (Lrishb4st4rd) and I'd be happy to hook you up with their albums.  They make some great music and have some Samuel and original ideas about the way we make and think about music.  Read any interviews with them and check out ezra's dad's synths (Buchla Synths) for some insight into their music.

i only met marm and lisa marie, and two other people but i dont remember what their names were. but i was looking for ozmacity and i couldnt find him. i think i had the best seats in the house, i sat on the upper level right above ozma

Man I wish I could have met you guys. Going to any other ozma concerts in So Cal soon?

I forgot to mention I also meet Ryne and his sister who were two very cool cats.

i had so much fun last night. 

i can't believe i didn't meet niles.  i'm kind of dissapointed.  samuel, are you going to be there tonight?
total i met:
david
ryne
hipsun
i like ozma (dude, i can't remember what you said your name was)
sarah
bob
patrick
kenn (who is a lurker here)

sorry if i forgot anyone.  everyone was really nice.  i really really enjoyed satisfaction, and though the mae shi was different, i was pretty freaking entertained by them.  at some points i wanted to tell them to shut up, but i liked them.  i like the guitarist who ran out in the audience.  he came up stairs and stood by me, and i tried to get sarah's attention to take his picture, but she was taking pictures of the stage.  i thought ozma sounded pretty good.  i did like their energy and i really love what they did to battlescars.  i like kenn shane.  i'm sorry, i'll miss pat, he's a great guy, but i really like kenn.  we're supposed to go tonight so i'll see whoever else goes.  i'll have on a black camisole shirt, a black cardigan, and bluejeans.

Quote from: ozmacity on March 13, 2006, 08:11:03 am
I saw a couple groups of who I thought might be forum members. I did see that one guy from here, that's like a kinda chunky mexican guy with buddy holly(weezer)-type glasses and a red shirt.

kris? couldn't have been me. i had a blue shirt... and i'm filipino.

the show last night was incredible. like i said in another thread, the new song is based off "Freeway Fanfare" of commuter music. battlescars opening was great as done by kenn, i almost fell into the chorus yell-hole deal... i'm glad i didn't, otherwise i'd resort to jumping off the balcony/loft. dan got presents! i gave him a fresno state bulldog baseball cap and kris gave him his jumpsuit back. i wish he wore them both on stage.

it's been years since a saw sarah and bob, both of you look great, bob especially.  lisa is as pretty as she is in pictures, i want to pinch your cheeks! i thought samantha would be taller, but she does have that dancer body. :) david, i expect you in your elephant thong dancing with satisfaction.

i have more to post, but i'm in a go-go-go kind of mood. so no time to waste.

was gerardo there?  i thought perhaps i saw him, but i didn't say anything.

Heh, forgot to pack the elephant thong.  But yes, biggest surprise was Samantha, I see Lisa and get her attention and then this girls says "We've been looking for you" and I think "who's that?... Oh!  it's samantha."  I guess I just gathered from her pictures she was 9 feet tall.

Quote from: Timantha on March 13, 2006, 10:14:23 am
i can't believe i didn't meet niles.  i'm kind of dissapointed. 

awww
i got there half way through satisfaction's set and stayed down stairs (right next to where that girl passed out lolz).  i left shortly after ozma finished their set...the people i was with just like booked it out the door.  i wanted to say "whats up" to people but i couldnt  :-\
i did give a "yeaaaaaaaah" to david (noonchild) and i think i saw lisa but she was in the middle of the crowd and i was on the outside

i fell bummed i didnt see samantha and dylan



edit: i was standing in front of kris danger throughout the whole ozma set...i dont hink he knew so i didnt want to sound like a creep

The show last night was Samuel. Satisfaction and Ozma that is.

That other band... Well I'm just glad my parents never beat me when I was a kid.

Quote from: Not Jason on March 13, 2006, 08:43:31 am

Quote from: The Other Mike on March 13, 2006, 06:43:41 am
Why is everyone hating on the mae shi?  The mae shi is fucking awesome.

The Mae Shi is far beyond awesome.  Seriously guys.  Terrorbird has to be one of the top 10 records I've ever heard.  I understand why the average Ozma fan wouldn't like them, but it doesn't mean you're not wrong.  They are objective quality.

hmmm, well... I'm listening to some Terrorbird clips on Itunes, and i will tell you that they sounded nothing like this at the show. It was like the whole thing was just being made up on the spot... they were just screaming and bashing around to entertain themselves. And it was pretty disappointing, because I remembered someone on the OFF talking about how great the drummer was, etc. And I've seen groups do the same kind of super-arty experimental music, but in most of those cases there was at least some sense of coherency, and it was apparent that what they were doing actually took talent to pull off... Not so with the Mae Shi last night. The whole thing sucked.

I think it's great if a band can get an incredulous 'what the fuck??!!?' kind of reaction from an audience once in a while, but to base your entire act on that is, needless to say, pretty stupid. You aren't communicating anything worthwhile.

mae shi -
"I guess you guys aren't ready for that yet. But your kids are gonna love it." -bttf

Quote from: les cambrioleurs on March 13, 2006, 12:16:34 pm

Quote from: Not Jason on March 13, 2006, 08:43:31 am

Quote from: The Other Mike on March 13, 2006, 06:43:41 am
Why is everyone hating on the mae shi?Ã,  The mae shi is fucking awesome.

The Mae Shi is far beyond awesome.Ã,  Seriously guys.Ã,  Terrorbird has to be one of the top 10 records I've ever heard.Ã,  I understand why the average Ozma fan wouldn't like them, but it doesn't mean you're not wrong.Ã,  They are objective quality.

hmmm, well... I'm listening to some Terrorbird clips on Itunes, and i will tell you that they sounded nothing like this at the show. It was like the whole thing was just being made up on the spot... they were just screaming and bashing around to entertain themselves. And it was pretty disappointing, because I remembered someone on the OFF talking about how great the drummer was, etc. And I've seen groups do the same kind of super-arty experimental music, but in most of those cases there was at least some sense of coherency, and it was apparent that what they were doing actually took talent to pull off... Not so with the Mae Shi last night. The whole thing sucked.

I think it's great if a band can get an incredulous 'what the fuck??!!?' kind of reaction from an audience once in a while, but to base your entire act on that is, needless to say, pretty stupid. You aren't communicating anything worthwhile.

there's a fine line between art and shit....

i'm all for experimental/progressive....but this was just crap. Anyone could have done what they were doing up there if they had sense of how to play an instrument. There was no progression in their act...it was just a pretentious, pompous, and a wannabe-rock star attitude with some guy screaming "OZMA!" over and over again while he touched himself...with some guy that looked like Casey Afflect playing a toy. The guy molesting himself called out a guy who screamed "you suck" and castrated him by saying "oh how original." What? It's an insult. It doesn't have to have wit behind it...it's the god awful truth: YOU SUCK. The bass player seemed real nice though..and i did like the drummer. The lead singer should be shot in the face. He is the worst vocalist I have ever seen in my life.

Actually, none of them look like Casey Affleck.

mae shi was absolutely terrible. i can't believe more than one person here thinks there is any redeeming aspect to them.
ok, i didn't mind when they'd have melodies once in a while, some of the background music sounded even decent at times, but when the singer opened his stupid mouth it all went to shit again. he has to be the most annoying and bereft of talent singer i have ever seen.

I wouldn't say I was into the mai shi, but I still had mounds of admiration for them.  You guys are beyond anal about how music should be.

I can't speak for their live show, but the mae-shi is alright. Everyone can't be melodic power chord rock like ozma, guys.

edit - cool new song, the crowd sounded awesome from what i can gather from the audio.

pps - put tape over the mic on ur camera, dont know if you did that

oppppsssss = boo at only 3/4 of natalie portman.

Quote from: cesarsalad on March 13, 2006, 01:35:35 pm
he has to be the most annoying and bereft of talent singer i have ever seen.

He's pretty good at viola

oh yeah, miriam, i forgot that i met her too.  she's very sweet.

>< Doh, yes I met Miriam as well, first one I talked to, super nice.

Quote from: The Other Mike on March 13, 2006, 08:48:20 am
Read any interviews with them and check out ezra's dad's synths (Buchla Synths) for some insight into their music.

Wait... Ezra is Don Buchla's son?

anyone ragging on the Mae Shi for lacking talent has no fucking clue what they're talking about.  The mae shi is a group of fantastic musicians.  Ezra is a well trained and schooled musician.  They may not be doing things that you understand or enjoy, but they are far from bad.

Quote from: Tom Is Dead on March 13, 2006, 02:14:58 pm
I can't speak for their live show, but the mae-shi is alright. Everyone can't be melodic power chord rock like ozma, guys.

edit - cool new song, the crowd sounded awesome from what i can gather from the audio.

pps - put tape over the mic on ur camera, dont know if you did that

oppppsssss = boo at only 3/4 of natalie portman.

again i say...i'm all for experimental/progressive, I really like God Speed You Black Emperor for example, but the Mae-Shit has to be one of the worst live shows I have ever seen. The mix was all wrong, which led to the over-emphasis on the lead's horrific voice. I'm not saying that they are not accomplished musicians, I'm just saying the songs they play are mediocre...and not very hard to "make up." I listened to a few of their songs cause my friend who loves them is angry that I hate them...and I can honestly say that I can dig it. The live show sounded NOTHING like some of the tracks my friend sent me...in fact, the live show sounded like poop...and I can go so far to say that I'd rather watch an acoustic Ashlee Simpson show..no joke.

As for the guy who I thought looked like Casey Afflect....i was at the balcony and couldnt see very well...but I could have sworn it was Casey from Good Will Hunting.

I will most definately put tape over the mic next time...thanks for the tip.

And yeah..only 3/4 nat cause my camera only goes up to 3 minutes.

(http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/4518/starsetlist8mv.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

star's set list!

she wrote "fix keyboard for ken" right above battlescars

Thats awesome. Man I wish I herd last dance live. Thats what I wanted to hear.

they didnt play last dance.

maybe last dance was star's way of saying last song?

It looks like they were planning to break into Last Dance from In Search Of to me..

PS, Beefunger: Are you the lucky guy who got Star's setlist? I'm totally jealous...

I will not stand for Mae Shi bashing.

Truth:Ã,  I consider the Mae Shi to be the best band I listen to.Ã,  I've seen them live, I traveled for like 7 straight hours to do it, and I'd do it again in a heart beat.Ã,  I'd quit my job if they tried to schedule me on the same day as a Mae Shi performance.Ã,  I'd follow them on tour if I had the money and they actually toured.

If you have a tolerance for noise-rock, but didn't like them, it's possible that you needed prerequisite listening that you didn't afford yourself.Ã,  I will readily grant that this is the sort of thing that is hard to be exposed to for the first time in a live setting if you don't know any of the material.Ã,  I knew the moment that I saw Mae Shi was on the bill that probably about half a percent of the people there would appreciate it, and while I appreciate Ozma for getting Mae Shi the exposure, I think they may have been a little off base if they thought it would work out well.

Well, it's a shame I guess.Ã,  Your loss.Ã,  Some day, some day at least one of you will realize how great this band is, and you'll regret having thought them shit.

Edit:

And does everyone here talking about "the lead singer" have any idea who he is?  If you think Ezra is just an incompetant fool, listen to Monstro (specifically, most of the really good songs, and then check the writing credit).

Quote from: default_anon on March 13, 2006, 04:59:04 pm
It looks like they were planning to break into Last Dance from In Search Of to me..

PS, Beefunger: Are you the lucky guy who got Star's setlist? I'm totally jealous...

you betcha

Quote from: les cambrioleurs on March 13, 2006, 12:50:47 am


Ozma blooper reel:
-TERRIBLE mix. Ryen's guitar was a zillion times louder than anyone else, and it was unfortunate, because...
-Ryen's playing was about as sloppy as i've ever seen him play.
-Tetris fizzles out when an amp gets unplugged by the camera dude.

It may be that I've just been to way too many Ozma shows, But this one was overall pretty underwhelming and mediocre. Satisfaction played a much tighter set.

[/buzzkill]

Regarding the Mae Shi:

On one hand, I respect that they're trying to do something really out there and post-modern... On the other hand, If I wanted to watch a group of hopped up lunatics yell at me while masturbating, I'd go to a mental hospital and get the genuine article. Novel, but ultimately not a shtick I ever want to endure again.

All of these points are entirely incorrect.

1) The mix probably sounded off because of where you were standing.  From the balcony, where I was standing, the mix was Samuel.  Bob's recording will show that.  You were probably standing closer to the amp with Ryen's guitar, which might be why it sounded so overpowering.  The sound was not as good on the floor as it was up above.
2)One of Ryen's best performances in recent memory, I really don't know what you are talking about.  He didn't mess up a single song, which is Samuel for Ryen.  Usually he forgets a verse here or there or messes up a chord, which I always find funny, especially since it's usually a song he wrote. 
3)Mae Shi were fucking awesome.  I don't even really like noise, but they are easily the best of their genre.  And live?  Outstanding.  Corey was on fire, and Ezra is always an awesome performer.  I can sorta understand being confused by them if you're not into that kind of music, but worst band ever?  Whatever.  I would hope more Ozma fans would be respectful of a band who is so tight with Ozma. 

Jason, Bob recorded Mae Shi for you.

Also, Godspeed is not experimental.

Also, Satisfaction WERE awesome...ex-Smile members, so of course Dan/Ozma will be huge fans ;)  Overall, easily one of the best shows of their's I've seen.  And that one would make 21 I think.

I want to marry Bob.  Is that cool?

experiment, post-punk, canadian, etc.

semantics.

Stand in line, buddy.  And I have dibs. ;)


And literally, he said "Oh, I want to record Mae Shi for Jason"

I video recorded on my shitty camera a couple songs...no sound...if they look even halfway decent I'll post 'em :)

Well, if he reads this:  Thank you, Bob.

He's actually the one who sent me Heartbeaps before I could find a physical copy of it.  Good guy.

Quote from: heysarahsarah on March 13, 2006, 06:50:43 pm

Quote from: les cambrioleurs on March 13, 2006, 12:50:47 am


Ozma blooper reel:
-TERRIBLE mix. Ryen's guitar was a zillion times louder than anyone else, and it was unfortunate, because...
-Ryen's playing was about as sloppy as i've ever seen him play.
-Tetris fizzles out when an amp gets unplugged by the camera dude.

It may be that I've just been to way too many Ozma shows, But this one was overall pretty underwhelming and mediocre. Satisfaction played a much tighter set.

[/buzzkill]

Regarding the Mae Shi:

On one hand, I respect that they're trying to do something really out there and post-modern... On the other hand, If I wanted to watch a group of hopped up lunatics yell at me while masturbating, I'd go to a mental hospital and get the genuine article. Novel, but ultimately not a shtick I ever want to endure again.

All of these points are entirely incorrect.

1) The mix probably sounded off because of where you were standing.  From the balcony, where I was standing, the mix was Samuel.  Bob's recording will show that.  You were probably standing closer to the amp with Ryen's guitar, which might be why it sounded so overpowering.  The sound was not as good on the floor as it was up above.
2)One of Ryen's best performances in recent memory, I really don't know what you are talking about.  He didn't mess up a single song, which is Samuel for Ryen.  Usually he forgets a verse here or there or messes up a chord, which I always find funny, especially since it's usually a song he wrote. 
3)Mae Shi were fucking awesome.  I don't even really like noise, but they are easily the best of their genre.  And live?  Outstanding.  Corey was on fire, and Ezra is always an awesome performer.  I can sorta understand being confused by them if you're not into that kind of music, but worst band ever?  Whatever.  I would hope more Ozma fans would be respectful of a band who is so tight with Ozma. 

Jason, Bob recorded Mae Shi for you.

Also, Godspeed is not experimental.

Also, Satisfaction WERE awesome...ex-Smile members, so of course Dan/Ozma will be huge fans ;)  Overall, easily one of the best shows of their's I've seen.  And that one would make 21 I think.

you guys rock.

Well, I mean, if we wanna get into semantical genre pissing contests, I would say that GSYB! is technically orchestral rock.  And I meant that they aren't the same genre as Mae Shi, so I was simply pointing out that while you may enjoy GSYBE!, you mayhap do not enjoy noise, which is the genre Mae Shi probably most aptly fits into.

They sound like a combination of Deerhoof and Hella, and it's an awesome combo.  Also, Ezra does not always sing like that, it's specific to the music.  Listen to Montro to hear some more of Ezra singing more traditionally if Mae Shi is not your taste.

Here's a nice little blip by Allmusic that does a decent job summerizing what they are about for those that are interested in further info about Mae Shi:

Los Angeles' noise rock outfit the Mae Shi features Ezra Buchla, Brad Breeck, and Tim and Jeff Byron. The bandmembers were longtime friends before starting the Mae Shi, with Buchla and Jeff Byron's friendship dating back to their high school days. With influences spanning no wave and classical legends like the Ex and Erik Satie, the band aimed to bring a wide array of sounds and approaches to its music. After playing their first gigs in early 2003, the Mae Shi issued their debut EP that summer, which they gave to people in exchange for mixtapes or CDs. When they began recording tracks for their first album that fall and into winter 2004, the band used the flow and unpredictablilty of mixes and play lists as an inspiration, along with the ambitious and varied production techniques of hip-hop albums. The result, 2004's Terrorbird (named after a two-million-year-old flightless, predatory bird that reached heights of nine feet), was a sprawling, digitally processed affair that cost approximately 130 dollars to make. A little more than a year later, the Mae Shi returned with Heartbeeps -- which, like Terrorbird, was released by 5 Rue Christine -- and embarked on their most ambitious tours of Europe and the U.S. that summer and fall. The band expected to release a DVD by the end of 2005.


Great opener for Ozma.  Sucks some people weren't receptive, but I guess you win some, you lose some.  I remember fans of Superdrag saying Ozma sucked when they opened, so not every fan is going to be into every opener :)

Quote from: heysarahsarah on March 13, 2006, 06:50:43 pm
Jason, Bob recorded Mae Shi for you.

WHERE CAN I GET THIS??!  :o :D

I think the biggest thing with Mae Shi for people here is that is was "shock and awe" type reaction... Just kinda without the awe. And more "... the fuck?".. Going to an Ozma show, you really aren't expecting a band quite like them to be opening for their beloved band. Even with them being a great friend of the bands.

They were unusual. They were "noise". I thought they had a rather great sound... when there was no vocals. I don't mean that as a dig at the band, it just wasn't my thing (And I listen to the Blood Brothers, I can still enjoy awkwardly pitched vocals). I just kept thinking that "Damn, they would be a great instrumental jam band". And this is without any (ok, like a few mp3's off their site) background on them. But yeah. Maybe I'll explore more of there back catalogue outside the few mp3's off the site. I'm opening to new weird bands.

And i thought whoever said they sucked at the show is the King of Douchebagery. What a prick.

As for Ozma.

Amazingly awesome. I'm with the majority here it seems in that everything after "Spending Time" became a blur of awe. They were Ozma.

And, I was right in front of Jose in the "Insecurity" shirt. And, the guy duct taped to the car that's been posted here twice.

Quote from: Not Jason on March 13, 2006, 06:34:47 pm
I will not stand for Mae Shi bashing.

Truth:Ã,  I consider the Mae Shi to be the best band I listen to.Ã,  I've seen them live, I traveled for like 7 straight hours to do it, and I'd do it again in a heart beat.Ã,  I'd quit my job if they tried to schedule me on the same day as a Mae Shi performance.Ã,  I'd follow them on tour if I had the money and they actually toured.

If you have a tolerance for noise-rock, but didn't like them, it's possible that you needed prerequisite listening that you didn't afford yourself.Ã,  I will readily grant that this is the sort of thing that is hard to be exposed to for the first time in a live setting if you don't know any of the material.Ã,  I knew the moment that I saw Mae Shi was on the bill that probably about half a percent of the people there would appreciate it, and while I appreciate Ozma for getting Mae Shi the exposure, I think they may have been a little off base if they thought it would work out well.

Well, it's a shame I guess.Ã,  Your loss.Ã,  Some day, some day at least one of you will realize how great this band is, and you'll regret having thought them shit.

Edit:

And does everyone here talking about "the lead singer" have any idea who he is?Ã,  If you think Ezra is just an incompetant fool, listen to Monstro (specifically, most of the really good songs, and then check the writing credit).

no offense, but mae shi is an example of why older people dont like music today.

Quote from: I like ozma on March 13, 2006, 08:49:38 am
i only met marm and lisa marie, and two other people but i dont remember what their names were. but i was looking for ozmacity and i couldnt find him. i think i had the best seats in the house, i sat on the upper level right above ozma

I was down by the right speaker by the stage, by Jose. I don't even know what you look like, haha. But maybe we'll meet at another show.  :P

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Quote from: ozmacity on March 13, 2006, 08:11:03 am
I saw a couple groups of who I thought might be forum members. I did see that one guy from here, that's like a kinda chunky mexican guy with buddy holly(weezer)-type glasses and a red shirt.

kris? couldn't have been me. i had a blue shirt... and i'm filipino.

I dunno. This guy used to have his avatar as his picture.
Could be filipino, but Mexican is pretty close.

Quote from: I like ozma on March 13, 2006, 08:38:39 pm
no offense, but mae shi is an example of why older people dont like music today.

Old people who don't like music today are just boring people who were only half-heartedly into music in the first place.  So yeah, it is no coincidance that the same people who can survive on their early college CD collection aren't into things like The Mae Shi.  A drive to experience new things is essential to an appreciation of this type of stuff.

Your argument's shit anyway.  There has always been expiremental music.  In fact, The Mae Shi would fit in very well with a lot of the bands from the 70's no-wave movement out of NY.  Anyway, don't go acting like the opinions of people who are not committed to music reflects anything.

Quote from: heysarahsarah on March 13, 2006, 07:12:38 pm
Well, I mean, if we wanna get into semantical genre pissing contests, I would say that GSYB! is technically orchestral rock.Ã,  And I meant that they aren't the same genre as Mae Shi, so I was simply pointing out that while you may enjoy GSYBE!, you mayhap do not enjoy noise, which is the genre Mae Shi probably most aptly fits into.

i'm so out of touch. there's a genre called noise?

yeah...i probably wouldn't enjoy noise. I live right next to a freeway, so I get most of it everynight before I go to bed. Noise has been bugging me my whole life.

I've been listening more to some Mae Shi songs...and the lead vocal doesn't sound as annoying, and the rhythm section is really tight.

But I still don't think I would qualify it as art, or even music for that matter. Maybe if I was up at Berkeley tripping on acid, I might be able to dig it.

and yes. mae shi is a very good example of why older people don't listen to modern music.

Quote from: Not Jason on March 13, 2006, 09:26:07 pm

Quote from: I like ozma on March 13, 2006, 08:38:39 pm
no offense, but mae shi is an example of why older people dont like music today.

Old people who don't like music today are just boring people who were only half-heartedly into music in the first place.Ã,  So yeah, it is no coincidance that the same people who can survive on their early college CD collection aren't into things like The Mae Shi.Ã,  A drive to experience new things is essential to an appreciation of this type of stuff.

Your argument's shit anyway.Ã,  There has always been expiremental music.Ã,  In fact, The Mae Shi would fit in very well with a lot of the bands from the 70's no-wave movement out of NY.Ã,  Anyway, don't go acting like the opinions of people who are not committed to music reflects anything.

that is just stupid, im taking a "survey of rock and roll" class at my college and we had the man who played guitar for "taquila" the old instrumental song, and he was saying that now he wont listen to rock today because all bands do is scream in their music, and they dont get what real talent is. and my rock and roll book doesnt mention mae shi in it, however it does mention that guy, so i think his opinion just slightly outweighs yours

Quote from: I like ozma on March 13, 2006, 09:42:01 pm

Quote from: Not Jason on March 13, 2006, 09:26:07 pm

Quote from: I like ozma on March 13, 2006, 08:38:39 pm
no offense, but mae shi is an example of why older people dont like music today.

Old people who don't like music today are just boring people who were only half-heartedly into music in the first place.  So yeah, it is no coincidance that the same people who can survive on their early college CD collection aren't into things like The Mae Shi.  A drive to experience new things is essential to an appreciation of this type of stuff.

Your argument's shit anyway.  There has always been expiremental music.  In fact, The Mae Shi would fit in very well with a lot of the bands from the 70's no-wave movement out of NY.  Anyway, don't go acting like the opinions of people who are not committed to music reflects anything.

that is just stupid, im taking a "survey of rock and roll" class at my college and we had the man who played guitar for "taquila" the old instrumental song, and he was saying that now he wont listen to rock today because all bands do is scream in their music, and they dont get what real talent is. and my rock and roll book doesnt mention mae shi in it, however it does mention that guy, so i think his opinion just slightly outweighs yours

Holy crap. I hope you are joking that entire post.

Quote from: Not Jason on March 13, 2006, 09:26:07 pm

Quote from: I like ozma on March 13, 2006, 08:38:39 pm
no offense, but mae shi is an example of why older people dont like music today.

Old people who don't like music today are just boring people who were only half-heartedly into music in the first place. So yeah, it is no coincidance that the same people who can survive on their early college CD collection aren't into things like The Mae Shi. A drive to experience new things is essential to an appreciation of this type of stuff.

Your argument's shit anyway. There has always been expiremental music. In fact, The Mae Shi would fit in very well with a lot of the bands from the 70's no-wave movement out of NY. Anyway, don't go acting like the opinions of people who are not committed to music reflects anything.

Some of the mae shi's stuff rocks. I wouldnââ,¬â,,¢t say all old people are half-heartedly into music. Maybe most of them are but a lot of younger people today are not that into music. Many youths just like music because media makes it look or it fits the image they want. However, I would say more people are now into music now because there are more types they can relate to.

However, their are many old people who still like music whole heartedly because it makes them feel good. Hey, I think the mae shi is interesting and the song body 2 I enjoy but for the most part, screaming and clash sounds donââ,¬â,,¢t make me feel good and I think for most people screaming is a turn off. Seeing that old people are wise and went through allot I would then see why they would not want to listen to screaming. All though Iââ,¬â,,¢m not denying their creativeness and ability to write songs, it is just not something I can relate to or that makes me happy.

I am sad I missed this show. Oh well, as far as the Mae Shi they sound pretty cool. Has anyone heard of Hella? I saw them live its like noise based around a drum solo, some of it was actually pretty cool. Check them out at http://www.myspace.com/hellaband or www.hellaband.com

jesus christ, it's not the genre, it's the band. i seriously thought the whole thing was a joke for about the first 10 minutes. the vocals were gratingly awful. i could record their album in a few hours.

you really can make their music by just making noise and fiddling with your instruments. and their drummers crack, i mean come on

Quote from: I like ozma on March 13, 2006, 09:42:01 pm

Quote from: Not Jason on March 13, 2006, 09:26:07 pm

Quote from: I like ozma on March 13, 2006, 08:38:39 pm
no offense, but mae shi is an example of why older people dont like music today.

Old people who don't like music today are just boring people who were only half-heartedly into music in the first place.Ã,  So yeah, it is no coincidance that the same people who can survive on their early college CD collection aren't into things like The Mae Shi.Ã,  A drive to experience new things is essential to an appreciation of this type of stuff.

Your argument's shit anyway.Ã,  There has always been expiremental music.Ã,  In fact, The Mae Shi would fit in very well with a lot of the bands from the 70's no-wave movement out of NY.Ã,  Anyway, don't go acting like the opinions of people who are not committed to music reflects anything.

that is just stupid, im taking a "survey of rock and roll" class at my college and we had the man who played guitar for "taquila" the old instrumental song, and he was saying that now he wont listen to rock today because all bands do is scream in their music, and they dont get what real talent is. and my rock and roll book doesnt mention mae shi in it, however it does mention that guy, so i think his opinion just slightly outweighs yours

Yeah, if you believe that, you're the stupidest motherfucker I've ever met.

It's interresting that the Mae Shi happen to be on 5RC, who's slogan is the profoundly true statement, "Popularity =/= Quality". Ã, and while we're at it, age doesn't equal wisdom. Ã, So you're taking a class named for a scene that's been dead for decades ("Rock and Roll") and you think that because you're instructer is a one hit wonder who, like most people, believes their generation to be superior to all others, his opinion holds weight? Ã, Fuck that. Ã, What made Rock and Roll important, what made Blues important, Jazz, etc, was that at one point, it was all new, and nobody had done it before. Ã, Nobody stumbled upon that shit by doing the exact same thing over and over again. Ã, Incidentally, the fact that people have standardized all those styles is what eventually killed them.

The precise reason you don't like The Mae Shi is why they are doing what they are doing. Ã, The Mae Shi could make a standard pop record. Ã, I bet they could do it in the span of a week if you gave them a deadline and they felt the need to humor you. Ã, And not only could they make it, but they could make it good and they could make it technically sophisticated. Ã, So why don't they do that? Ã, Because they've realized that there is very little point to doing things that everyone is entirely comfortable with. Ã, Creating art out of superficial beauty is easy and it's overdone. Ã, Subverting typical notions of what makes for good music is a way to discover new ways of making good music. Ã, People in our generation scream for the same reason that some fuckers in your teacher's generation thought it might be cool to overdrive a guitar, and I say "fuck you" to him for the same reason that he said "fuck you" to the people who tried to keep him down when he was doing something that was new and controversial (this all assumes that he was actually at the forfront of anything, he might not have been, in which case he's just a washed up hanger-on).

Quote from: cesarsalad on March 13, 2006, 09:54:06 pm
jesus christ, it's not the genre, it's the band. i seriously thought the whole thing was a joke for about the first 10 minutes. the vocals were gratingly awful. i could record their album in a few hours.

Do it.

Then we'll talk.

i just did

Quote from: I like ozma on March 13, 2006, 10:24:03 pm
i just did

you just did what?

Quote from: Not Jason on March 13, 2006, 10:25:03 pm

Quote from: I like ozma on March 13, 2006, 10:24:03 pm
i just did

you just did what?

I believe "i love ozma" has therefore claimed that he recorded Mae Shi's stuff in 20 minutes..

Quote from: cesarsalad on March 13, 2006, 09:54:06 pm
i could record their album in a few hours.

Bullshit, the guitar player was increadible and intense, and they played their unconventional instruments like pros.

Quote from: ozmacity on March 13, 2006, 10:52:53 pm

Quote from: Not Jason on March 13, 2006, 10:25:03 pm

Quote from: I like ozma on March 13, 2006, 10:24:03 pm
i just did

you just did what?

I believe "i love ozma" has therefore claimed that he recorded Mae Shi's stuff in 20 minutes..

I want to hear him make that bold claim, and I'd like to see any of you seriously back it up.

Hell, let's see somebody cover "Vampire Beats" or "Power to the Power" verbatim, and then I'll let them tell me there's no talent in that band.

I'm not sure if anyone went into detail about it on here, but that Mae Shi drummer was crazy weird. Boxers and an undershirt..I only hope his package wasn't revealed. Kinda looked like Serj from System of a Down, and his cymbals were all broken and beat up, and they kept falling off. And his ass juices were showing. Terrible. Once I got my camera out to film his crazy antics on stage, he simply walked out.

And the band looked 17-18, yet the drummer was like 30..weird. They all looked like they just woke up.


And did anyone else loathe the big jerks in the middle forming a moshpit thing? Shoving the whole audience around. Some asshole put his hand on my shoulder, and dug his fingers into my tendons, and I literally had to use both my hands to pry him off, friggin weirdo.


It felt as if the dance floor was about to cave in..

Man..we left to go to the bathroom after arriving, and 15 minutes later when we got back, there was already a line.

We ended up being like 15-20th in line.

Were any of you the couple sitting in front of us in line eating the pizza and burger? That stuff looked good. The girl had nice shoes, and the guy looked friendly.

Poor Ryen(regarding Tetris). I was sure Jose was gonna fill in on lead..they could'a pulled it off. Ah well.


Did anyone hear me shouting "Iceland" after every song? Ha..I know it was probably annoying, but hey..that jam solo thing Ryen does in that song is untouchable.

I also yelled out "Tetris Do-Over!!" before the last encore, I think.

Amusing to see the drummer and the lead singer being the members singled out by the naysayers.....

Quote from: Bob511 on March 13, 2006, 11:21:48 pm
Amusing to see the drummer and the lead singer being the members singled out by the naysayers.....

Yeah, where do those guys get off thinking they can share a stage with Daniel Brummel?

First off, I'd like to start off by saying that my brother's father in law (well..basically) played back up with Steely Dan...so when I say that old people hate the music we listen to today...I'm speaking on behalf of him and his band (which I consider epitomizes the generation were speaking of)....since I've went to their studio a couple of times before.

Concerning artist's need to experiment and progress their music (jazz, rock n roll, etc.), I can see why one would make the comparison of 'noise' or 'screamo' to the risk that people like Les Paul, Miles Davis or Johnny Cash did; however, I would say the biggest difference is that there was an aesthetic to everything they did. Developing new diminished/minor chords and the art of improvisation, all held a certain artistic quality toward it...while progressing their musical style. It was creativity, it was unconventional, but it still followed a very simple formula: melody, harmony, chords, etc. So yes, it was a very rebellious thing to do. For musicians to crack out of the mainstream and do something new  took a lot of guts, and thank god they did it, or we'd still be listening to Vaudeville acts.

When it comes to music today, the mainstream overshadows everything. The new rockstars of today are people liek Jay-Z or Usher, rather than the Plant's or Hendrix's. Music has been succumbed by the "industry of cool," and everything is a commercial product now. As Lester Hayes once said, rock n roll is dying and were all just in time for its death rattle. In fact, rock n roll has been dead for quite a while, so has punk rock...or any other musical new wave explosion that defined a certain era. Now it's up for us to build the our own representation for our era..and yes, we have failed at that; Fall Out Boy just ain't gonna cut it as inspiring rock gods.

So what do we do next? Music is in its downward spiral as we constantly search for something to grab onto and inspire us...just because we feel that, much like our parents, we deserve to belong to something as well. It is ironic to see that there is so little out there when there's a huge abundance of musical acts. Almost everyday, I hear about a new band and how they're going to be the "next big thing." So is the next big thing going to be The Mae Shi? Maybe...it seriously might. Who would have known that Nirvana was going to be grunge on the map? Or Blink 182 with pop punk....or My Chemical Romance with goth punk....or Fall Out Boy with...whatever the hell theyre singing about? Maybe the music industry is entitled to a kick in the face? I think the Mae Shi can do that; blow everyones ears off and throw a big "fuck you" to the man...or management. But I digress; all this speak about mainstream and "inspirational" acts is moot, since the idea of musical progression is flawed.

A band like the Mae Shi might be unconventional; it could break the mainstream and shock our minds by playing unlitigated pieces of noise symphonies. They can break barriers, open a door for other experimental artist to enter, and even change a life or two. But when it comes to the humanties (and art is called the humanities because it is what makes us humane), it has very little influence. I am now convinced that music is no longer part of the arts, where young people (like the Mae Shi) can attempt on trying to invent their own genre, but fail miserably trying. There is nothing new to say when it comes to music. As one poster previously said, they are only trying to do something new to avoid everything else that has been done already. So what is the solution? Making unconventional noise with a screeching vocal over a 3 note motif? Yes, there is a place for "music" like this, just like how there is a place for the Ashlee Simpsons and the Fall out Boys of the world, but to argue that a band like The Mae Shi is much like our predecessors of the rock'n' roll/jazz revolution is not only ludacrous, but insulting.

So what is the solution? I know many would say that musicians "copy" our predecessor's sound, which leads to lack of quality and creativity, but I see it differently. I love that Ozma can reinvent the pop/power punk sound...and create an album that was dubbed "the real green album." I love how Ryan Adam, Bright Eyes, Sufjan Stevens and other singer/songwriters can be our Dylan's, Cash's, or Young's. I love how bands like Gorillaz are taking different kinds of music and coalescing them into one. I believe that progression now is improving the music that is already here, and making it their own. Why are people like Sufjan Stevens, Wilco, My Morning Jacket, Cat Power, Bright Eyes, Ã, getting so much attention from the media...even the cool pretentious types like Pitchfork? Well maybe it's cause theyre saying something new with something we've already heard? Maybe it's because they realize that just because they use the same paintbrushes, doesnt mean it's the same portrait.

In contrast, why is it that a band like The Mae Shi getting D reviews? Like this one:

"This seems to be The Mae Shi's modus operandi on Terrorbird: Brief exercises from Noise Rock 101 surround the band's more carefully composed numbers, providing a harsh contrast for the album's otherwise immediately accessible moments. That said, when these straightforward songs aren't up to "Power to the Power" snuff, all the guitar gymnastics comes off as talentless bullshit, drenched in noise to mask an inability to play. It happens on "Jubilee", whose forced recombination of plucked guitar, Casio beats, and vocal harmonies are so unintentionally out-of-tune that it makes Liars' Angus Andrews sound like a barbershop quartet. Ã, ;D. It happens again on "Takoma the Dolphin Is Awol", which sports a solid narrative lyrically, but musically falls back on some seriously obnoxious Rage Against the Machine white-boy funk trills. Perhaps the biggest offender is the one-two guffaw of "Surf's Up" and "Testify": After the band prove they're "down" with Garage Band's hip-hop loops on the first one, The Mae Shi try their best to emote and come out sounding like The Starting Line unplugged."

In conclusion, I'd like to say that this board and the show inspired me to take a deeper listen to the Mae Shi, and I'd have to say, they weren't as bad as I thought their live show was. It's definately not something I will listen to often, or even again most likely...but I guess I can appreciate the band's willingness to break new ground, even though I think most of it is contrived, and out of touch.

I continue not to give a fuck about what people in a past generation think.  My deepest apologies for not wanting anymore blues based knock offs and corny rock and roll bands.

I will stand behind The Mae Shi endlessly.  First time I heard Terrorbird I knew it was exactly what I wanted out of a band.  While bands like The Mars Volta were letting their solos defy keysignitures but drowning in their own pretention, The Mae Shi is unpretentious and wholely inventive.  Yes, unpretentious, and I believe that.  My impression of this band, having listened heavily to their entire catelog, is that they want nothing more than to work on their own terms.  This is evident in the sheer variety of The Mae Shi's (and their individual members') work.  The Mae Shi takes no shame in connecting back with their mainstream influences, but has no fear of functioning completely free of them, and THAT is what makes The Mae Shi remarkable.  I don't listen to the Mae Shi to prove anything or to feel arty and snobbish, I listen to it because it makes me fucking giddy.  Likewise, I don't think they make their music to be arty and snobby, I think they'd make it because they'd feel like a bunch of lying fakers if they did what you wanted them to do.

Music is rarely art anymore, I'll grant that.  The Mae Shi (and BARR) are doing something about that, and I think that's rad.  I would take a bullet for those guys.

Umm, Does anyone remember the 2nd bands name?

Quote from: savewhatyouare on March 13, 2006, 11:43:03 pm
I know many would say that musicians "copy" our predecessor's sound, which leads to lack of quality and creativity, but I see it differently. I love that Ozma can reinvent the pop/power punk sound...and create an album that was dubbed "the real green album." I love how Ryan Adam, Bright Eyes, Sufjan Stevens and other singer/songwriters can be our Dylan's, Cash's, or Young's. I love how bands like Gorillaz are taking different kinds of music and coalescing them into one.

The same thing could be said of the Mae Shi. You could say they're drawing influences from many sources, from the NY No Wave scene way back in the late 70s (which could get way more unlistenable) to mainstream pop acts.

(the audience wasn't ready when rite of spring first came out)

Quote from: savewhatyouare on March 13, 2006, 11:43:03 pm
and create an album that was dubbed "the real green album."

???

Quote from: FireAarro on March 14, 2006, 12:12:35 am

Quote from: savewhatyouare on March 13, 2006, 11:43:03 pm
I know many would say that musicians "copy" our predecessor's sound, which leads to lack of quality and creativity, but I see it differently. I love that Ozma can reinvent the pop/power punk sound...and create an album that was dubbed "the real green album." I love how Ryan Adam, Bright Eyes, Sufjan Stevens and other singer/songwriters can be our Dylan's, Cash's, or Young's. I love how bands like Gorillaz are taking different kinds of music and coalescing them into one.

The same thing could be said of the Mae Shi. You could say they're drawing influences from many sources, from the NY No Wave scene way back in the late 70s (which could get way more unlistenable) to mainstream pop acts.

That's what I forgot..my refutation for the no wave comparison.

From the little that I know, No Wave was a short lived movement in NY during the 70s and early 80s, and was a response to new wave; hence, no wave.

I took a class that concentrated on the post punk movement, and no wave was a heavy part of my midterm..(which by the way, I was screwed over with a B because I oculdn't name the lead singer of Mars...how could that be 5 points?) So yes, no standard structure like rock or jazz and strong emphasis on motfis or rhythm. So yeah...I can see a very strong comparison to the Mei Shi.

But if history repeats itself, The Mei Shi will probably dissapear within the next couple of years. In fact, the only band that left any significance during this period was Sonic Youth, and even they converted to, what would become, a more standard, conventional form of song writing (i.e. sonic nurse). Bands like Lev Six and Mars slowly faded away in their own obscurity, while other bands liek Swans, eventually added more to their music and shows (i.e. The Burning World) to adhere to a more acoustic/folk kind of sound.

No Wave is generally considered to be a footnote in music's history, where a society of misfits and nihilists were trying to figure out what they wanted to say or be. The Mae Shi can certainly be representative of that to our society today.

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Quote from: savewhatyouare on March 13, 2006, 11:43:03 pm
and create an album that was dubbed "the real green album."

???

from what I remember...since the green album was such a huge dissapointment in 99...and rnrp3 was so embraced by the community...a lot of the =W= fans dubbed it the "real green album," implying it to be the album they wished and hoped for out of =W=.

i never found the =W= and ozma comparisons to hold any truth by the way.

Ah ok, I guess that would make sense, I just was confused at to which album it might be.

Quote from: savewhatyouare on March 14, 2006, 12:27:27 am

Quote from: FireAarro on March 14, 2006, 12:12:35 am

Quote from: savewhatyouare on March 13, 2006, 11:43:03 pm
I know many would say that musicians "copy" our predecessor's sound, which leads to lack of quality and creativity, but I see it differently. I love that Ozma can reinvent the pop/power punk sound...and create an album that was dubbed "the real green album." I love how Ryan Adam, Bright Eyes, Sufjan Stevens and other singer/songwriters can be our Dylan's, Cash's, or Young's. I love how bands like Gorillaz are taking different kinds of music and coalescing them into one.

The same thing could be said of the Mae Shi. You could say they're drawing influences from many sources, from the NY No Wave scene way back in the late 70s (which could get way more unlistenable) to mainstream pop acts.

That's what I forgot..my refutation for the no wave comparison.

From the little that I know, No Wave was a short lived movement in NY during the 70s and early 80s, and was a response to new wave; hence, no wave.

I took a class that concentrated on the post punk movement, and no wave was a heavy part of my midterm..(which by the way, I was screwed over with a B because I oculdn't name the lead singer of Mars...how could that be 5 points?) So yes, no standard structure like rock or jazz and strong emphasis on motfis or rhythm. So yeah...I can see a very strong comparison to the Mei Shi.

But if history repeats itself, The Mei Shi will probably dissapear within the next couple of years. In fact, the only band that left any significance during this period was Sonic Youth, and even they converted to, what would become, a more standard, conventional form of song writing (i.e. sonic nurse). Bands like Lev Six and Mars slowly faded away in their own obscurity, while other bands liek Swans, eventually added more to their music and shows (i.e. The Burning World) to adhere to a more acoustic/folk kind of sound.

No Wave is generally considered to be a footnote in music's history, where a society of misfits and nihilists were trying to figure out what they wanted to say or be. The Mae Shi can certainly be representative of that to our society today.

Thing is though, Mae Shi aren't ALL No Wave. If you listen to their records, only Terrorbird has much No Wave style noise on it. Their latest release, the first half of Do Not Ignore The Potential (on the US version at least) is full of very structured songs, some almost poppy (see The Bear and Remarkably Dirty Animals).

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Quote from: savewhatyouare on March 14, 2006, 12:27:27 am

Quote from: FireAarro on March 14, 2006, 12:12:35 am

Quote from: savewhatyouare on March 13, 2006, 11:43:03 pm
I know many would say that musicians "copy" our predecessor's sound, which leads to lack of quality and creativity, but I see it differently. I love that Ozma can reinvent the pop/power punk sound...and create an album that was dubbed "the real green album." I love how Ryan Adam, Bright Eyes, Sufjan Stevens and other singer/songwriters can be our Dylan's, Cash's, or Young's. I love how bands like Gorillaz are taking different kinds of music and coalescing them into one.

The same thing could be said of the Mae Shi. You could say they're drawing influences from many sources, from the NY No Wave scene way back in the late 70s (which could get way more unlistenable) to mainstream pop acts.

That's what I forgot..my refutation for the no wave comparison.

From the little that I know, No Wave was a short lived movement in NY during the 70s and early 80s, and was a response to new wave; hence, no wave.

I took a class that concentrated on the post punk movement, and no wave was a heavy part of my midterm..(which by the way, I was screwed over with a B because I oculdn't name the lead singer of Mars...how could that be 5 points?) So yes, no standard structure like rock or jazz and strong emphasis on motfis or rhythm. So yeah...I can see a very strong comparison to the Mei Shi.

But if history repeats itself, The Mei Shi will probably dissapear within the next couple of years. In fact, the only band that left any significance during this period was Sonic Youth, and even they converted to, what would become, a more standard, conventional form of song writing (i.e. sonic nurse). Bands like Lev Six and Mars slowly faded away in their own obscurity, while other bands liek Swans, eventually added more to their music and shows (i.e. The Burning World) to adhere to a more acoustic/folk kind of sound.

No Wave is generally considered to be a footnote in music's history, where a society of misfits and nihilists were trying to figure out what they wanted to say or be. The Mae Shi can certainly be representative of that to our society today.

Thing is though, Mae Shi aren't ALL No Wave. If you listen to their records, only Terrorbird has much No Wave style noise on it. Their latest release, the first half of Do Not Ignore The Potential (on the US version at least) is full of very structured songs, some almost poppy (see The Bear and Remarkably Dirty Animals).

oh yeah, i know what you mean. If you look at my post before that...I go onto say that some of their stuff I enjoyed, and I posted that review I found on Terrorbird because it pretty much sums up everythgin I feel about it. The good stuff wasnt done enough and the bad stuff was done way too much.

Quote from: savewhatyouare on March 13, 2006, 11:43:03 pm


"This seems to be The Mae Shi's modus operandi on Terrorbird: Brief exercises from Noise Rock 101 surround the band's more carefully composed numbers, providing a harsh contrast for the album's otherwise immediately accessible moments. That said, when these straightforward songs aren't up to "Power to the Power" snuff, all the guitar gymnastics comes off as talentless bullshit, drenched in noise to mask an inability to play. It happens on "Jubilee", whose forced recombination of plucked guitar, Casio beats, and vocal harmonies are so unintentionally out-of-tune that it makes Liars' Angus Andrews sound like a barbershop quartet.  ;D. It happens again on "Takoma the Dolphin Is Awol", which sports a solid narrative lyrically, but musically falls back on some seriously obnoxious Rage Against the Machine white-boy funk trills. Perhaps the biggest offender is the one-two guffaw of "Surf's Up" and "Testify": After the band prove they're "down" with Garage Band's hip-hop loops on the first one, The Mae Shi try their best to emote and come out sounding like The Starting Line unplugged."

that pitchfork review is bullshit.  Pretty much any time pitchfork tries to assess talent, they are dead wrong.  For instance, their assumption that a bunch of experienced musicians and, especially, someone who has spent years going to school for music are "unintentionally out of tune" is laughable.  Most of their band comparisons (starting line, rage) are pretty wtf-able as well.

anyways, if you want to keep arguing about how the mae shi sucks, go for it.  Just know that you are wrong.

Quote from: The Other Mike on March 14, 2006, 03:29:05 am

Quote from: savewhatyouare on March 13, 2006, 11:43:03 pm


"This seems to be The Mae Shi's modus operandi on Terrorbird: Brief exercises from Noise Rock 101 surround the band's more carefully composed numbers, providing a harsh contrast for the album's otherwise immediately accessible moments. That said, when these straightforward songs aren't up to "Power to the Power" snuff, all the guitar gymnastics comes off as talentless bullshit, drenched in noise to mask an inability to play. It happens on "Jubilee", whose forced recombination of plucked guitar, Casio beats, and vocal harmonies are so unintentionally out-of-tune that it makes Liars' Angus Andrews sound like a barbershop quartet.Ã,  ;D. It happens again on "Takoma the Dolphin Is Awol", which sports a solid narrative lyrically, but musically falls back on some seriously obnoxious Rage Against the Machine white-boy funk trills. Perhaps the biggest offender is the one-two guffaw of "Surf's Up" and "Testify": After the band prove they're "down" with Garage Band's hip-hop loops on the first one, The Mae Shi try their best to emote and come out sounding like The Starting Line unplugged."

that pitchfork review is bullshit.Ã,  Pretty much any time pitchfork tries to assess talent, they are dead wrong.Ã,  For instance, their assumption that a bunch of experienced musicians and, especially, someone who has spent years going to school for music are "unintentionally out of tune" is laughable.Ã,  Most of their band comparisons (starting line, rage) are pretty wtf-able as well.

anyways, if you want to keep arguing about how the mae shi sucks, go for it.Ã,  Just know that you are wrong.

i have been refuted.

i concede.

sucking is only a matter of opinion, obviously you like them, and obviously 90% of the rest of the board doesnt.

Quote from: I like ozma on March 14, 2006, 10:14:15 am
sucking is only a matter of opinion, obviously you like them, and obviously 90% of the rest of the board doesnt.

If I said the beatles had no good ideas and sucked and were crappy musicians that would be just completely untrue and wrong.  Not everything related to music is an opinion.  The mae-shi are not a sucky band.  That's simply not true.  Abrasive?  Challenging?  A bit too much for your average ozma fan?  Sure.  But if you're going to claim that they suck, I'm sorry, but I can't let that slide.

Little note to "I like ozma"

You don't have to defend your opinion that Mae Shi sucks... we believe you.

I respect other people's opinions on any good aspects to the band... of course I would have to disagree. It's just not... well good, to me? Possibly too weird for me to handle. It did give me a great laugh though. I liked when the bassist said something like "they're here to see ozma not us" when the other guy was complaining about the guy who said they sucked.

At least they had energy, and at concerts--that's a big thing.

At first I thought they were trying to suck on purpose. I'm really not sure. I'm way too unfamiliar with that "type" of music.

Has anyone ever seen "Grandma's Boy"? Doesn't the singer remind people of the weirdo in the movie who made all the video games?

I've never been more completely furious at this board.  And I've posted in various versions of it for 5+ years.  I don't understand how some of you don't understand why a band would want to make music like this.  Do any of you play music?  Do any of you ever get horrifyingly bored with predictability?  Does anybody at all but me think it's occaisionally necessary for their to be disonance and disorder?  It's not that I'm expecting to make fans of the band here, but the complete lack of respect is unbelievable to me.

No wave was most accurately anti-aesthetic.  Some of it clearly had the foot in the door of more conventional form, it was just a matter of how it was expressed.  I only name dropped the genre because I wanted to disprove the "kids these days" theory.

Quote from: The Other Mike on March 14, 2006, 03:29:05 am
Most of their band comparisons (starting line, rage) are pretty wtf-able as well.

Fo' shizzle mah nizzle. Takoma the Dolphin Is AWOL sounds nothing like RATM. Also, some other reviews praise Takoma as the best song on the album... so yea

"Getting agitated by young power pop fans' aversion to the music of the Mae Shi" ranks just below "Becoming infuriated by people who wear shoes" on the list of Most Futile Personal Peeves.

Some things are just gonna be.

HAHA, props to Not Jason for the new quote on the avator.

To be honest I can't get maeshi's music out of my head now... I mean they carry a good beat. I guess they just overdue it on stage... and the singer creeps me out.

OK, Ozma rocked hard.  I saw them on saturday right before the reunion show at Soma and they were so good.  They messed up a lot more, but it was still sooo awsome.  I got their setlist and they all signed it!!!  All I have to say is that regardless of how many mistakes or anything else that might have gone wrong, they still rock and those two shows  (march 11th and 12th) where the best!!!!

Quote from: yellowskycaptain on March 13, 2006, 09:50:39 pm
I am sad I missed this show. Oh well, as far as the Mae Shi they sound pretty cool. Has anyone heard of Hella? I saw them live its like noise based around a drum solo, some of it was actually pretty cool. Check them out at http://www.myspace.com/hellaband or www.hellaband.com

yeah dude zach hill is an explosion of flailing arms and sticks.  Spencer, one of the guitarists, has another band that I think everybody on this forum could appreciate.  www.theadvantageband.com

Ok I from what I hear of the people and a live video. Mae Shi is pretty differnt from ozma so less people would like it. And mostly what I get is the Mae Shi is better on cd becuase live they act sickly,disterbeinly, preverted so that it scares people away. So they might have some type of genius but act like freaks on stage and dont make upbeat music in the way ozma does. And I think from this piont we should stop bagging on Jasons and the Other Mikes band. Done.

Plus know I am kinda getting into some of the songs. They actually do make part of me feel good. I think they do kinda have something here.

TERRIBLE. I am not talkin about talent. There is no doubt in my mind that the musicians were talented. But even though being intentionally out of tune, dissonant, or screaming random shit like monkeys might be worthy of respect for not conforming to a norm, and can even be called interesting, it is still terrible.

I'm listening to the bootleg right now of this exact show that all you guys hated, and it's great.  They were on top of their game.  I feel really really bad for them for having to put up with you guys' shit.  Shame on you guys.

Bob's right though, this is a compltely futile argument.

Quote from: cesarsalad on March 14, 2006, 04:24:54 pm
TERRIBLE. I am not talkin about talent. There is no doubt in my mind that the musicians were talented. But even though being intentionally out of tune, dissonant, or screaming random shit like monkeys might be worthy of respect for not conforming to a norm, and can even be called interesting, it is still terrible.

I don't think there's anyone in the history of the board who has made as many idiotic claims about the quality of various musical works as you have.  I would pretty much consider this an endorsement of this band.

my favorite thing about music is a great melody, and that is why the beatles and ozma are my two favorite bands. mae shi however, i couldnt even make out a melody in any but maybe two songs for about 3 seconds, and that is why in my opinion i think they arent good

Like i've said, I can't speak for Mae-Shi's live show...but dudes, they are good. Arguing with someone who loves a band is going to get you nowhere, so just STFUUUUU please!!

ps - I think the singing style has more to do with these people hating on mae - shi than anything else, take away the scream-y vocals and they are technically-speaking one of the best bands around right now, none of you can deny that. Me, on the other hand, loves the vocals. Gosh, I'm so with Jason on this one, and don't try and say i'm kissing ass or whatever, because I got raped for saying that The Beatles filler was better than anything else anyone has ever done.

I like ozma - melody doesnt have to be melodic.

Quote from: The Other Mike on March 14, 2006, 05:41:05 pm

Quote from: cesarsalad on March 14, 2006, 04:24:54 pm
TERRIBLE. I am not talkin about talent. There is no doubt in my mind that the musicians were talented. But even though being intentionally out of tune, dissonant, or screaming random shit like monkeys might be worthy of respect for not conforming to a norm, and can even be called interesting, it is still terrible.

I don't think there's anyone in the history of the board who has made as many idiotic claims about the quality of various musical works as you have.Ã,  I would pretty much consider this an endorsement of this band.

It's fucking terrible.

Quote from: cesarsalad on March 14, 2006, 06:45:14 pm

Quote from: The Other Mike on March 14, 2006, 05:41:05 pm

Quote from: cesarsalad on March 14, 2006, 04:24:54 pm
TERRIBLE. I am not talkin about talent. There is no doubt in my mind that the musicians were talented. But even though being intentionally out of tune, dissonant, or screaming random shit like monkeys might be worthy of respect for not conforming to a norm, and can even be called interesting, it is still terrible.

I don't think there's anyone in the history of the board who has made as many idiotic claims about the quality of various musical works as you have.  I would pretty much consider this an endorsement of this band.

It's fucking terrible.

I'll buy two.

'Cause really, who cares about opinions anyway.

Dude, it's ok, just because it's "experimental" and obscure doesn't mean you have to love it.

we're still on this?

I'll just echo the sentiments of everyone who thought the show was Samuel. Ã, It was my first Ozma show and I was blown away. Ã, The setlist was fantastic and the enthusiasm from both the crowd and the band was great. Ã, In fact, this was one of the most fun experiences of my life. Ã, I really liked Satisfaction too; I bought their CD in addition to one of the new Ozma shirts.

It's too bad this thread turned into an argument about the Mae Shi. Ã, :-\

Mods know what a lock button does right?

Oh, also, on my way out after the show someone handed me a CD by a band called The Power Cords, and I'm actually finding it pretty enjoyable.  I can definitely see why they would try to get Ozma's audience, and while they're no Ozma, it's fun music.

Did I ever mention that I hate you all?

:'( :'( :'(

the fault dear brutus is not in our stars, but in ourselves

So no one's mentioned the crowd chorus during "Domino Effect"?

Because I think that turned out better than I've heard at any other show I've attended.

Quote from: Bob511 on March 14, 2006, 10:39:17 pm
So no one's mentioned the crowd chorus during "Domino Effect"?

Because I think that turned out better than I've heard at any other show I've attended.

yeah that was pretty sweet

I'm so jealous of The Mae-Shi... they cause more shit around here than I possibly ever could.


And, aren't there more photos of this show??  Everyone had a camera, so where are all the pictures?!?!

Quote from: <3 Satisfaction <3 on March 15, 2006, 06:46:44 am
I'm so jealous of The Mae-Shi... they cause more shit around here than I possibly ever could.


And, aren't there more photos of this show??  Everyone had a camera, so where are all the pictures?!?!

Being converted into emo myspace pictures.

ps - are people just now starting to hear satisfaction? cuz they is the bomb diggity phatness.

Quote from: Tom Is Dead on March 15, 2006, 07:46:38 am
ps - are people just now starting to hear satisfaction? cuz they is the bomb diggity phatness.

OMG.  I know.  I love them because they were absolutely super nice.  I have such a crush on Satisfaction.

i have some pictures, but i dont know how to post pictures...

Quote from: I like ozma on March 15, 2006, 09:50:57 am
i have some pictures, but i dont know how to post pictures...

what a shocker!


but seriously, just find a site to upload them (like shutterfly, photobucket, or imageshack), copy the address of the pic, then use the little button that looks like a picture on the screen where you write your post to put image tags around the picture address.

Me and paz posted some in the March 13th thread.

Satisfaction was awesome, even though I was right up against the stage, the mix sounded just right, and their energy was great.
The Mae Shi were good, but the mix was weird for them, at least from where I was standing - I heard more drums and guitar/omnichord than anything else and the vocals were almost nonexistant. Hearing their stuff on their myspace page, it's much much better.
I don't even know what to say about Ozma. The setlist was great (even if they left Apple Trees out), the mix was alright but not great... I got beer thrown at me, my feet were stomped on by a bunch of people, I fell over but it was so worth it. Looking forward to hear the bootleg...

yeah, i have a couple of pics.  none of the actual show, but of oofers.  expect to see them in the gream pretty soon.  probably after my nap.

Quote from: Jeff42 on March 14, 2006, 07:35:56 pm
Oh, also, on my way out after the show someone handed me a CD by a band called The Power Cords, and I'm actually finding it pretty enjoyable.Ã,  I can definitely see why they would try to get Ozma's audience, and while they're no Ozma, it's fun music.

They are quite good. Their full length comes out next month. The artwork is incredible.

this is totally Samuel! i need to spend more time on the internet!

i think i am technically an ozma fan, so hopefully it is kosher for me to say this here:

it is totally fine to not like my band or even hate us! occaisionally we must hate things.

although, the vociferous intensity of complaint, and now the phenomenon of flaming our myspace, seems strange and out of place in something as nominally positive as a phan phorum.

some of you could possibly stand a little more 'punk' and 'noise' and 'complexity' in your musical lives. consider:

busoni
stravinsky
ives
varese
xenakis
cage
raymond scott
yoko ono
captain beefheart
robert ashley
mort subotnick
frank zappa
the screamers
the germs
foetus
throbbing gristle
DNA
GAG
glenn branca
liquid liquid
the normal
maximum joy
this heat
einseurzen neubaten
electric eels
wire
christian wolff
pere ubu
mission of burma
the minutemen
dead boys
gg allin
joy division
the raincoats
the boredoms
the ruins
the A frames
SWANS
derek bailey
john zorn
brainiac
born against
botch
frail
otomo yoshihide
christian marclay
racebannon
the monorchid
skull control
geraldine fibbers
man is the bastard
big black
diamanda galas
archers of loaf
us maple
nobekazu takemura
idiotflesh
caroliner
deerhoof
xiu xiu
zeni geva
afrirampo
DMBQ
yellow swans
john weise
lucky dragons

the academically and music-theoretically minded may also find the following tomes to be stimulating:

'twentieth-century harmony: creative aspects and practice' - vincent persichetti
'rhythm and noise: an aesthetic of rock' - theodore gracyk
'noise: the political economy of music' - jacques attali
'poetics of music' - igor stravinsky
'ezra pound and music: the complete criticism' - ezra pound

debussy, ives, cage and xenakis have also written interesting things about their "difficult" music.

other news items of interest:

glenn branca's symphony no. 13, 'hallucination city', for 100 guitars, is playing at walt disney hall very soon and i think it's only like 10 bucks. branca was the guy who introduced the guitarists of sonic youth to open tuning and semitone clusters (lee ranaldo's 'staircase chord'), so if you're interested in SY this might be a nice thing to try out. in fact the whole LA phil. minimalist series should be pretty Samuel.

you might want to check out the archive of my recordings at music.calarts.edu/~ebuchla
much of it is kind of pretty and even directly related to mr dan b. who you already know.

i recently did a lot of work using electronics and strings on the new carla bozulich record, 'evangelista.'
http://www.southern.com/southern/catalog/CBOZU
we worked closely with several members of godspeed you black emperor! and SWANS on this. it is a very good record.

i am very glad for the enthusiasm here! you are very good fans and it's good to talk about things.

luv,

ezra

thanks ezra, now I have to spend months finding and listening to all those bands.

Quote from: eb on March 15, 2006, 03:06:17 pm
some of you could possibly stand a little more 'punk' and 'noise' and 'complexity' in your musical lives. consider:

May I also suggest Stockhausen, Conlon Nancarrow and Schoenberg...

edit: also, William Basinski and Gavin Bryars

Definitely wasn't at the show, I'm a few thousand miles away, but I don't know what you all were talking about. I really like the Mae Shi. Not a favorite band, but the best of their genre that I've heard, and just really cool in my opinion.

noise is good...sometimes...depends who is playing it i suppose. for example: xiu xiu's fabulous muscles or deerhoof's the runners four. I guess that's the most "noise" i can handle.

for the other noise (i.e. deadboys, gg allin), I can only take so much of it. Growing up in a high school withÃ,  pretentious punk rockers keying cars and taking pisses in stairwells and halls, I have certainly experienced my fair share of nihilistic antics...with their soundtrack blasting in their 89 corollas (mostly swans, dinosaur jr., sonic youth). I guess it's all in the matter of taste.

So what's the big deal? Why are people arguing? I guess it's just all about ego. The reason why I posted that longwinded fragments of paragraphs that can hardly be considered a well researched/thought-out rant, was because fans of the Mae Shi set out to make the band seem like the second coming. It is understood, that those fans were only defending themselves, and blame should be placed on those who flat out said "the mae shi sucks balls" with no rationale or explanation whatsoever. But certain people on this board, have either stated a) i dont care what you think. the mae shi rule, or b) they are trying something different, therefore..they rule.

statement a) is pretty much a fallacy; attacking the people who originally attacked by using the same attack method (try saying that 10x fast). statment b) is probably the most interesting, and thought provoking. Sure, as I said before, I give credit to the Mae Shi for trying something new, even though, as I also said beofre, it's not really new since it is a throwback to the late 1970s fleeting NY No Wave movement. The opinion can relate to all forms of art: music, cinema, painting, etc. Does something deserve praise just because it is new and has never been done before? I believe it was Salvidor Dali that once presented a toilet as his artwork at a museum in Italy, and people took it seirously...analyzing how the toilet was portrayed, positioned and colored. A week later, Dali revealed that it was a statement on the current position of art, believing that aesthetic critique is now shallow. The toilet represented the most obscure, nonsensible object to Dali...and by presenting it, tested the audience of who is real and who is fake. To be honest, when I saw The Mae Shi live, i thought about the very thing Dali was doing. Does the Mae Shi deserve greatness for 3 note motifs and incessant screeching? According to many people on this board, yes they do...no matter how contrived it is. One poster also mentioned that the mae shi should be praised because they're not doing the same thing eveyrone else is doing. Apparently, my implication..or statment for that matter..wasn't clear enough: isn't it harder to reinvent, personalize, or refresh a formula that has been done numerous times...than to make something new that lacks in depth and achieves in obscurity? Of course, if someone creates something entirely new and refreshing that has mass appeal, then yay...a new revolution begins. But whatever...i guess that's a matter of opinion.

Now is the Mae Shi a legitimate act? Yeah..they have to be. There's no doubt in my mind that they are accomplished musicians, even more so from what ezra posted. Do I think they are the second coming? no. Would I take a bullet for them? probably...but not because their music is great.

p.s. ezra seems like a really cool guy..and more knowledgeable than most people on this board, including me.

p.p.s. is lou reed's metal machine music considered "noise?"

Quote from: savewhatyouare on March 15, 2006, 07:09:59 pmI believe it was Salvidor Dali that once presented a toilet as his artwork

You might be referring to Marcel Duchamp and his urinal... he and other artists like Man Ray were big on the idea of "ready-made objects" presented as art. I could be wrong though, I don't know as much about Dali as I wish...

Quote from: antiuser on March 15, 2006, 09:31:05 pm

Quote from: savewhatyouare on March 15, 2006, 07:09:59 pmI believe it was Salvidor Dali that once presented a toilet as his artwork

You might be referring to Marcel Duchamp and his urinal... he and other artists like Man Ray were big on the idea of "ready-made objects" presented as art. I could be wrong though, I don't know as much about Dali as I wish...

you mgiht be right. i just remember my spanish teacher, who loved dali, told that story once. She could have been referring to Duchamp, but I'm pretty sure it was a toilet...because we got in a tangent discussion of why its called the "john." (it's called the john because the guy who created the porcelean bowl was named john whatever)

Quote from: ozmacity on March 13, 2006, 11:05:02 pm
Man..we left to go to the bathroom after arriving, and 15 minutes later when we got back, there was already a line.

We ended up being like 15-20th in line.

Were any of you the couple sitting in front of us in line eating the pizza and burger? That stuff looked good. The girl had nice shoes, and the guy looked friendly.

Seriously..are you guys on here?
That pizza looked really good.

God, I wish Sarah and I had eaten a pizza before that show.  :-[

Those chicken wings no good?  Always a risk.

Oh they were good.  When the show ended and I went to clean up the table and found one last untouched mini-drumstick it was like discovering my pal's snow-hidden femur on the sixty-third day of my Andean survival disaster.  Or something.

Still, pizza before the show would've been awesome.

Quote from: The Other Mike on March 15, 2006, 03:12:14 pm
thanks ezra, now I have to spend months finding and listening to all those bands.

Ezra called. He wants his  PENIS   back.

the wings smelled fantastic.

here are some more pictures of the performances (others were put in march 13th) thread.
i had a great time at these shows. hope you did too.
enjoy
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if you want me to make em thumbnails just lemme know.

I think the audience's reaction to the Mae Shi was powered more by sheer shock than aversion... at least in my case, I definitely wasn't prepared, but that doesn't mean I don't like them. I was ready for nice melodies, hooks and singalongs, which Satisfaction and then Ozma provided. The Mae Shi was the wildcard inbetween sets - I had never heard of them before and I recall my initial reaction being "what are these guys doing here?". The mix (at least where I was standing) didn't really help, but after a short while I started getting into it. The "get off the stage" and "you suck" comments both at the show and on this board and myspace are uncalled for, but I think it's safe to say that the Mae Shi guys knew exactly what they were getting into when they agreed to play with Satisfaction and Ozma, and for that I applaud them - that takes some serious cojones.

This is kinda random but:
did anyone else see the guy who got punched in the face? it was during tetris, he was right next to me and the guy who hit him just barely missed my face. when we all got pushed back to where we were the guy was in front of me with blood on his shirt and still coming out of his nose.

(http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/5971/sammyozma0zz.jpg)

Wow...I like discussion as much as the next person, but some of this Mae Shi discussion may need to be split and sent OT. 


Lets try to remain as on topic as possible in topic discussions, thanks :)

Quote from: evanismyname on March 16, 2006, 11:56:43 am
This is kinda random but:
did anyone else see the guy who got punched in the face? it was during tetris, he was right next to me and the guy who hit him just barely missed my face. when we all got pushed back to where we were the guy was in front of me with blood on his shirt and still coming out of his nose.

Quote from: Indoor Fireworks on March 12, 2006, 11:13:57 pm
Whoever said everyone who goes to an Ozma show just stands around was very, very wrong. My friend's shirt was covered in his own blood by the end of the night. No lie... covered. It was a white shirt, now it looks pink/orange.

^ Maybee him ^

Quote from: paz on March 16, 2006, 11:30:31 am
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b51/tigerbight/ozma/DSCF3873.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b51/tigerbight/ozma/DSCF3874.jpg)

Haha, you can see my curly ass head in those two...Bottom right.
I think in one, it looks like I have a bald spot, cause my curls are so tight, haha..Nice.