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Quote from: hipsun on April 06, 2007, 02:01:53 pm
buy the record and all myspace ripping will be forgiven!

You crazy? I realize you don't know me, but dude. I'll be buying like 5 copies.

Quote from: Not Jason on April 06, 2007, 04:58:16 pm
Well, they didn't make them available for download.  They can only be streamed from the page.  They didn't select the option to let people download the 128k MP3, and therefor, what you're hearing in these rips is probably a rough capture of the stream, which seldom sounds very good (I haven't actually listened to these files though, so maybe I'm wrong).  All ethical issues about stealing music aside, the real problem I see with this is that the songs are being presented in such low quality.  And yeah, they don't sound any worse than they do streaming on myspace, but in the latter context, people know what to expect.  In MP3s, they have a different set of assumptions.  If I worked really hard on a record to make it sound Samuel, and I knew MP3s of it were floating around that made is sound bad, I'd be disappointed.

Assuming the repository keeps the ID3 tags in tact, there shouldn't be much confusion once the real ones start popping up.

Anyways, guys, I'm really sorry to cause such a big deal. I figured, hey I ripped them myself so I could listen to them without loading myspace, and I thought you guys would appreciate being able to do the same. I know there's other people here who make their own rips as well, and I thought I'd save them the time. Thought I'd do you guys a favor. Next time I'll know better.

antiuser, if you read this, feel free to take them down, if only to stop the drama.

Well yeah, myspace doesn't allow you to directly download the same way a site like purevolume does.  But then again, like I mentioned above, it's 2007.  Any song posted on the internet can be downloaded/captured/ripped for file sharing purposes.  The band has to know that.  And if they don't.......well, I don't know.

Kyosho, I don't see what the big deal is.  Ozma's myspace page certainly has to have hits ranging in the thousands per day, I don't really see why you capturing the songs makes a difference.

Jason, them posting it to myspace makes the mp3s sound like shit.  Myspace compresses the hell out of everything, so it's not like actually loading up the whole myspace page vs. downloading them on the file repository is making a whole lot of difference.  They aren't cd quality, and they never will be.  But they are advance tracks, and that's what we wanna hear.  Good for them, good for us.  Now let's all buy a copy come May 15, and make everyone happy.

Quote from: funwithsponges on April 07, 2007, 12:52:19 am
Jason, them posting it to myspace makes the mp3s sound like shit.  Myspace compresses the hell out of everything, so it's not like actually loading up the whole myspace page vs. downloading them on the file repository is making a whole lot of difference.  They aren't cd quality, and they never will be.  But they are advance tracks, and that's what we wanna hear.  Good for them, good for us.  Now let's all buy a copy come May 15, and make everyone happy.

Yeah, I'm aware of that.  But like I said, when somebody goes to the page to listen, they understand why it sounds like shit.  The MP3 removes the context, which leaves people to make whatever assumption they want, and also, it continues to exist even after the songs are removed from myspace.  I'd feel weird continuing to debate this point too heavily, because I honestly really don't care that much, but I do understand what you're getting at, and I wanted to address that.  I need to stop debating on topics that I'm relatively indifferent about.  It always leaves me in these situations like this where I don't really disagree with you, but I feel like I should be arguing anyway.

Personally, when people talk about the quality disparity like this, I really can't tell the difference.  Maybe a tiny bit, if I really tried.  But I guarantee I'm not in the minority on this one, most people would agree.  It's just the real audiophiles that have a problem with it.  I'm not saying it's bad if you do, just thought I'd point it out, there's more people that won't really notice anything.

With that said, the myspace tracks sound just fine to me.  I honestly can't tell what more you could ask for.  But that's just me.

Quote from: nagasadow on April 07, 2007, 01:05:03 pm
Personally, when people talk about the quality disparity like this, I really can't tell the difference.  Maybe a tiny bit, if I really tried.  But I guarantee I'm not in the minority on this one, most people would agree.  It's just the real audiophiles that have a problem with it.  I'm not saying it's bad if you do, just thought I'd point it out, there's more people that won't really notice anything.

With that said, the myspace tracks sound just fine to me.  I honestly can't tell what more you could ask for.  But that's just me.

I'll buy that the normal person can't tell the difference between a properly encoded 128kbps MP3 and a CD, but we're talking about a much lower sound quality than even that.  And perhaps the people who give a shit are still technically a minority, but I don't believe that most people couldn't tell the difference.

so are you in essence saying that most people wouldnt be able to tell a ripped mp3 from a cd?

he's saying someone could tell the difference if you put the two next to each other, but that most people wouldn't care that there was a difference.

Quote from: Not Jason on April 12, 2007, 08:38:13 pm

Quote from: nagasadow on April 07, 2007, 01:05:03 pm
Personally, when people talk about the quality disparity like this, I really can't tell the difference.  Maybe a tiny bit, if I really tried.  But I guarantee I'm not in the minority on this one, most people would agree.  It's just the real audiophiles that have a problem with it.  I'm not saying it's bad if you do, just thought I'd point it out, there's more people that won't really notice anything.

With that said, the myspace tracks sound just fine to me.  I honestly can't tell what more you could ask for.  But that's just me.

I'll buy that the normal person can't tell the difference between a properly encoded 128kbps MP3 and a CD, but we're talking about a much lower sound quality than even that.  And perhaps the people who give a shit are still technically a minority, but I don't believe that most people couldn't tell the difference.

Does anyone have the Contraband song "Television?"

anybody hear anything about the new Ozma album? title? something?

Quote from: Tristan on May 03, 2007, 08:53:35 am
anybody hear anything about the new Ozma album? title? something?

Are you saying you don't know the name of it?

Quote from: Joe on May 03, 2007, 09:35:09 am

Quote from: Tristan on May 03, 2007, 08:53:35 am
anybody hear anything about the new Ozma album? title? something?

Are you saying you don't know the name of it?

I think he's trying to be funny... and failing.

Quote from: Cade on April 23, 2007, 07:38:40 am
Does anyone have the Contraband song "Television?"

Was that also a Contraband song?  Cause I know it was a Gone with the Ghosts song (or wait that was Kenn's song) - it was a whatever that band was called that Brummel was in after Ozma.

thats what i meant to say

I have them.  I'll try uploading them sometime soonish.

Quote from: I Like Ozma on April 13, 2007, 04:02:01 pm
so are you in essence saying that most people wouldnt be able to tell a ripped mp3 from a cd?

Jason's saying:
Most people probably couldn't tell a difference between a 128kbps mp3 and CD quality audio
BUT
Most people could probably tell a difference between Myspace quality audio and 128kbps mp3

And I agree wholeheartedly, Myspace quality is pretty damn low.

Quote from: FireAarro on May 10, 2007, 02:23:11 am

Quote from: I Like Ozma on April 13, 2007, 04:02:01 pm
so are you in essence saying that most people wouldnt be able to tell a ripped mp3 from a cd?

Jason's saying:
Most people probably couldn't tell a difference between a 128kbps mp3 and CD quality audio
BUT
Most people could probably tell a difference between Myspace quality audio and 128kbps mp3

And I agree wholeheartedly, Myspace quality is pretty damn low.

No worries. I'm pretty sure the issue is dead seeing as people are leaking the entire album to each other now and no one bats an eyelash.

I actualy never noticed untill I had my own music on myspace.
The drums sounded like shit (not that they were that good anyway).
I can't tell the difference between MP3 and CD audio though.
My ah... cousin in law (or something like that) only burns his music on DVDs because dislikes the loss in quality of a CD compared to DVDs. He's from a family of musicians. I'm sure I could never tell the difference though.

Quote from: varnon on May 17, 2007, 05:58:57 pm
I actualy never noticed untill I had my own music on myspace.
The drums sounded like shit (not that they were that good anyway).
I can't tell the difference between MP3 and CD audio though.
My ah... cousin in law (or something like that) only burns his music on DVDs because dislikes the loss in quality of a CD compared to DVDs. He's from a family of musicians. I'm sure I could never tell the difference though.

sounds like you're surrounded by geniuses. cds are 16 bit/44.1K samples per second. if he puts those files on a dvd, they are still 16 bit/44.1K samples per second which means they will sound exactly the same. the only possible difference could be the digital to analog converters on the output of a dvd system versus a cd player. since dvd movie audio is almost always compressed in dolby digital, i would assume converters on a dvd player would actually be less precise than a cd player leading to a lower quality sound.

having said all that, i'm sure you just misunderstood something your cousin in law (or something like that) said.

i feel like the repository needs some love.

i just did this mix through my laptop speakers. hopefully it sounds okay.

2007_05_17 hvh acousticish

go check it out.

next... a mix of d-song where you can hear the organ.

nicely done

Quote from: hipsun on May 17, 2007, 09:13:11 pm
i feel like the repository needs some love.

i just did this mix through my laptop speakers. hopefully it sounds okay.

2007_05_17 hvh acousticish

go check it out.

next... a mix of d-song where you can hear the organ.

awesome man, thanks a lot.

one thing though, where did rachel's britney spears-esque line at the end go?

Holy crap! Thank you SO MUCH! 

i cant find d-song

I've uploaded best_of_bad_dogs_intros.mp3

You see, while Ozma was broken up, I, like many of you, sought out every bootleg I could find. I soon realized, after listening to them, that the intros to Bad Dogs were awesome. And always different. Most of them didn't have an intro, but those that did were always great. Now, I lost a large portion of my mp3 collection in a hard drive crash a few months back. Which included all the Ozma bootlegs. Well, now that Joe's made that FTP and people have been posting their boots, I've got my Bad Dogs back. 

So, I made a little compilation of the three best ones, in my opinion. The last is my favorite. If you crank up the volume, you can hear all these subtleties in that last one that're awesome. Oh, and as with any boots, it helps to have good EQ settings in order for it to sound good. If you use Winamp, I recommend the "Full Bass & Treble" preset. I do apologize for the different audio levels of the three intros. I tried evening them out a bit, but they're each louder or quieter than the others. Oh well.

Oh, and I left all the talking and stuff at the beginning of the first one because it's amusing.

Wow I never knew there used to be a live intro. What boots are those from?

Let's see. The first one is from "No Future Cafe, January 11, 2002", the second "2003.07.15 Bottom of the Hill, San Francisco" and the third "2003.03.28 Bottom of the Hill, San Francisco".

Thanks a lot. Now I have to go download them 

blah blah blah 2007_05_27 d song organ blah blah blah

All five Gone With the Ghosts tracks have been uploaded.  I would love to see Television end up as an Ozma song someday, but it's also great as it is in this form.